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 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Something in a way similar has happened with Kindle: they've deleted books you've downloaded and paid for, from your Kindle. Or removed boks they don't want t osell (self censoring) or replaced books with edited ones to remove information (not just replacing factually wrong stuff, but revising to remove stuff people don't want seen).

Oh, downloads -- what a wonderful idea, huh?

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

As posted above, Apple has replied stating the rumor is just a rumor.

I don't stream anything. No music, no movies. If it comes out of my wallet, give me some media I own. Physical or digital.

But, Apple has a history of f*cking their customers over big grin They perfected iTunes several versions ago and then kept on going, screwing it up worse with each new version razz

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The Download Market is diminishing -- so market demands may end this if streaming continues to show dominance. I had posted this on another thread:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WARNER_MUSIC_STREAMING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-05-06-13-14-03


Keep in mind it's also corporate driven.* They start with low prices to get ppl hooked on a new platform or device. Slowly take away old product, hardware and software that used to give ppl options. We had the illusion of commercial free entertainment. Commercials are creeping into all kinds of media now. (Or pay more for no ads.) Soon after, it will be pay for less ads. Eventually no single purchases in perp. We will need to pay a monthly fee if we want to use a product or service. The main reason I will never upgrade my computer or Photoshop! FY Adobe! *Mini rant over.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

You know, people did this to themselves. They're painting themselves into a corner where they don't get to own anything and have to pay to temporarily see/hear it.
They had to have it now.

On a related tangent, an aquiatance of mine placed an order at an online store, thought the shipping was cheap, then bitched when it told him it would take two weeks to arrive (he got it in mere days in the end). People have become to fucking impatient. You know, back in the 1980's and even early 1990's, if you ordered something by calling a number (since there was no internet), you had to wait -- even if you paid over the phone -- four to six weeks for delivery. Maybe even two months. Inside the country.

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2016 - 12:02 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

You know, people did this to themselves. They're painting themselves into a corner where they don't get to own anything and have to pay to temporarily see/hear it.
They had to have it now.

On a related tangent, an aquiatance of mine placed an order at an online store, thought the shipping was cheap, then bitched when it told him it would take two weeks to arrive (he got it in mere days in the end). People have become to fucking impatient. You know, back in the 1980's and even early 1990's, if you ordered something by calling a number (since there was no internet), you had to wait -- even if you paid over the phone -- four to six weeks for delivery. Maybe even two months. Inside the country.


Exactly!

But, sadly, so many people I talk to do not even care about the music they listen to. The streaming services seem to cater to that majority which only takes a passing interest into what is considered "hot" or what others like at the moment. They do not care then when it is not available anymore because they have moved on to the next thing.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2016 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Yes exactly. That was my point above. People won't know the difference between one thing and another because it is all so similar.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2016 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

This would also tie in with reports of latest iTunes updates removing people's music from their hard-drives and replacing it with links in the Apple music store.

Seriously, they are doing this? Isn't that illegal (assuming the user purchased the music, whether on cd or as a download)?


There has been a big hullabaloo about this, and allegedly some Apple employee on some help line said this is how the software is supposed to work, but it's actually not. There is a problem, also Apple's fault, that a pretty confusing dialogue box could lead you to choose to delete the music on your drive. But it doesn't do it without asking. (You may just misunderstand the question.)

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2016 - 9:53 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


But, sadly, so many people I talk to do not even care about the music they listen to. The streaming services seem to cater to that majority which only takes a passing interest into what is considered "hot" or what others like at the moment. They do not care then when it is not available anymore because they have moved on to the next thing.


Yep, it's disposable entertainment. It seems ppl no longer have a personal connection with the media they consume. Junk food entertainment.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2016 - 10:13 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Yep, it's disposable entertainment. It seems ppl no longer have a personal connection with the media they consume. Junk food entertainment.

Define "people."

I think what you're saying is true of some, and not of others. And hasn't that always been the case?

Sure, forty years ago, nobody streamed music. For obvious reasons. But they listened to the radio. Wasn't that just as disposable?

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2016 - 4:13 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Yep, it's disposable entertainment. It seems ppl no longer have a personal connection with the media they consume. Junk food entertainment.

Define "people."

I think what you're saying is true of some, and not of others. And hasn't that always been the case?

Sure, forty years ago, nobody streamed music. For obvious reasons. But they listened to the radio. Wasn't that just as disposable?




This.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2016 - 4:27 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Agreed.

Yet, I do get the feeling - also from talking to my nephews who are in their twenties - that the attention span and interest in artists has diminished.

It´s no longer about following an artist´s career over decades because less and less artists are in it for the long run. So many acts are just there for a very limited time and then disappear. It´s only natural that young consumers develop the "move on quickly"-mentality and therefore have no problem with concentrating on a streaming service that mainly offers what´s successful right now.

Also, teenagers and 20-somethings who have grown up in the digital age do not see the need or feel the urge to own a physical copy of their choice of entertainment. So the idea of a streaming service perfectly fits their consumer´s behaviour.

Of course, that word "consumer" is what is part of the problem, IMO. Music seems to become a commodity, something that just passes the time or becomes the soundtrack to a party.

Since current studies show that it has become very important for the current generation to fit in, to be part of a majority, it also seems to add to this climate of less individualism within the music industry.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2016 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Sure, forty years ago, nobody streamed music. For obvious reasons. But they listened to the radio. Wasn't that just as disposable?

This is very true. Back then you listened casually to stuff like the top 40 on the radio and then bought the stuff you liked. The limitation was that announcers generally talked over the start/end of songs, so if you wanted a clean copy you had to buy it. With streaming I'm guessing that isn't the case...?

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2016 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Sure, forty years ago, nobody streamed music. For obvious reasons. But they listened to the radio. Wasn't that just as disposable?

This is very true. Back then you listened casually to stuff like the top 40 on the radio and then bought the stuff you liked. The limitation was that announcers generally talked over the start/end of songs, so if you wanted a clean copy you had to buy it. With streaming I'm guessing that isn't the case...?

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2016 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

I'm happy I never latched myself to anything in the Apple ecosystem. I bought the Black Hole release on iTunes, plus about a dozen other random tracks on there back in the days when Amazon MP3's catalog had some pretty huge holes in it due to the labels' ridiculous piracy fears.

I use streaming services (Spotify, Amazon Prime) to supplement my music collection at work and in the car. Given the way things sometimes randomly disappear from Spotify, I can't see myself ever using it as a substitute for buying CDs or downloads.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2016 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   Pedestrian Wolf   (Member)

But if Apple ends iTunes downloads, wh-what will we say when we need to pithily dismiss soundtrack albums that only get digital releases?! Shpotify Only? Shapple Music Only? Shtidal Only? Shidal Only? Oh, they just don't roll off the tongue the same way!

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2016 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   bewlay   (Member)

Sure, forty years ago, nobody streamed music. For obvious reasons. But they listened to the radio. Wasn't that just as disposable?

The difference here being that, rumour or not, Apple would be completely removing the option of being able to download music, thereby forcing people to go with the streaming model.

When you hear a song on the radio that you like, you could go out & buy the vinyl/8 track/cassette/cd - you have those options. Radio was a starting point for getting into all kinds of music. Apple's plan would basically eliminate one of today's major formats for listening to music - for no valid reason, really. In one sense this doesn't surprise me, as the film & music industries have been pandering to the younger demographic for decades now.

Streaming always seemed like a cheap way of listening to music - it's meant for the casual listener. So why should the way we listen to music be determined by the casual listener? That is completely backwards. The kidz can have streaming, if that's what is popular with them, but the other options should always be available.

It's not even a case of keeping up with the times, or being out of touch - to try to designate or push something as flawed as streaming as your primary business model is shortsighted:

-I don't want to have to rely on an internet connection to listen to my music.
-Or face a scenario where an album has suddenly become 'unavailable' due to rights issues
-Or experience disruptions in my service due to 'technical maintenance'.

If the way music is being listened to has changed THAT much, to seriously consider streaming as The Future, then god help us!

Anyways, Apple can do what they want. Thankfully they are only but one of many options out there.
I never understood their business model - do people really like having their digital music controlled & subject to the ever changing whims of a company who seems to be primarily concerned with staying trendy?

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2016 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Anyways, Apple can do what they want. Thankfully they are only but one of many options out there.
I never understood their business model - do people really like having their digital music controlled & subject to the ever changing whims of a company who seems to be primarily concerned with staying trendy?


Well, as you say, there are many options, so Apple would not be "completely removing the option of being able to download music, thereby forcing people to go with the streaming model," just eliminating them from that equation.

But it's apparently not true, anyhow, so this discussion is pretty pointless.

To your final question about people giving over control of their music… I think a lot of people are just fine with it.

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2016 - 4:57 AM   
 By:   Leo Nicols   (Member)

I've never been a fan of 'downloads' always like to own the CD or LP. (if possible)

 
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