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 Posted:   Jul 12, 2016 - 6:17 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

I hear alot of Williams in Walton.

Just heard an extended bit from a Walton piece I cannot recall the name of, from some FB music group thing. Whose name I also cannot recall.

Just wanted to say.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2016 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Is "Warlok" going to explore additional compositions by William Walton?
If so, then is one inclined to regard Walton's music as 'better' than music by John Williams? big grin

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2016 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)

Maybe Warlok heard a lot of Ralph VAUGHAN WILLIAMS in Walton!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2016 - 6:04 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I don't like the Waltons theme.

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2016 - 6:30 PM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

I hear alot of Williams in Walton.

Just heard an extended bit from a Walton piece I cannot recall the name of, from some FB music group thing. Whose name I also cannot recall.

Just wanted to say.


Since Walton composed the music before Williams, you should more correctly say there is a lot of Walton in Williams.

I think John was openly referencing him.

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2016 - 11:46 PM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)

Just for the inverted terms, I found Warlok's impression funny from the first moment.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 5:25 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Well, chronologically speaking I *did* hear William`s music first... .

Given the thread interest it occurred to me to do a search on FB to find the link I had clicked on, to find out the piece name. Then it also occurred to me just how much of a pain in the BLEEP that might turn out to be. smile I think it had a 3 in the title. And maybe an rd. smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Williams influences are more Ralph Vaughan Williams (War Horse), Prokofiev for his harmonic language, Stravinsky, Korngold and some jazz artists. I've got a bit of a Walton collection and I've not heard anything that would suggest Williams has taken any melodic or harmonic influences from his style.

Of course the one clear case of Walton in a contemporary score was Kamen's Last Action Hero where he quoted Walton's Hamlet score within his own score but there was a clear narrative reason for that.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Damn. Now I really want to find that link (and the name of that piece). Not a chance though... a link through a link from a music group on FB... tried scrolling through FB History... lost to the sands of time... .

Reminded me of Raiders sequences, or alot of the action work from Empire Strikes Back. Not the trademark themes but the connective action tissue.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

In the meantime, Warlok, listen to some 1958 Star Wars by Leighton Lucas for Ice Cold In Alex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHf-HeJgaik

Those Brits certainly got a two-decade head-start on John Williams, didn't they?

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)

Well, chronologically speaking I *did* hear William`s music first... .

Given the thread interest it occurred to me to do a search on FB to find the link I had clicked on, to find out the piece name. Then it also occurred to me just how much of a pain in the BLEEP that might turn out to be. smile I think it had a 3 in the title. And maybe an rd. smile


Warlok, seriously speaking, are you referring to RICHARD III? It is part of the Laurence Olivier's trilogy HENRY V (1944) - HAMLET (1948) - RICHARD III (1955) with scores of Walton conducted by great Muir Mathieson. Several versions appeared on Lp and Cd in the form of a single track or acollection of tracks. Walton himself in 1964 conducted EMI lp SXLP 30139 including, along with SPITFIRE PRELUDE AND FUGUE, HENRY V Suite (5 tracks), HAMLET Funeral March, a large selection from RICHARD III (Prelude-Fanfare-Music Plays-Princes in the Tower-With Drum and Colours-I would I knew thy Heart-Trumpets Sound). On compact you can try to get the Neville Marriner version on Chandos containing "Shakespeare Scenario" from RICHARD III (10 tracks - 43:53).

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

In the meantime, Warlok, listen to some 1958 Star Wars by Leighton Lucas for Ice Cold In Alex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHf-HeJgaik

Those Brits certainly got a two-decade head-start on John Williams, didn't they?


Not bad`ish. I can hear some Star Wars there. Simpler texture than Williams (Star Wars), but I hear it in parts.

Richard the 3rd... I don`t know!

frown

I should have had the forethought to bookmark it for just this posting occasion. Oh well.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

In the meantime, Warlok, listen to some 1958 Star Wars by Leighton Lucas for Ice Cold In Alex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHf-HeJgaik

Those Brits certainly got a two-decade head-start on John Williams, didn't they?


Somewhere I read an item about the music for New Hope and Ice Cold in Alex. Gilbert Taylor was the cinematographer on both films, and it's been suggested that Lucas hired Taylor after seeing his work, in particular Ice Cold, and used some of that film's music to temp track New Hope. Thus indicating to Williams the approach Lucas was looking for. The template is certainly there.

 
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