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 Posted:   Mar 18, 2003 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Frederic Talgorn is probably one of the best "hidden" secrets - so to speak - here in Hollywood. What are your thoughts about his music ?
Le Brasier (The Blaze) is a terrific score (available from Alhambra)for a french film that bombed badly as well as Monty Spinnerratz, Edge of Sanity, Delta force 2 and many others.
He has just done a new score for a french movie.

I wish Intrada (or others) would release Devil's Arithmetic, Angels in The End Zone or Edge of Sanity.

I sincerely hope his day will come SOON.

A truly great composer cool

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2003 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

I too like Talgorn. His Fortress is very good and so is Heavy Metal 2.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2003 - 6:00 PM   
 By:   Adam Cousins   (Member)

Strangely enough I dug out my copy of Robotjox to listen to the other day. Apart from the fact that it sounds like it was recorded in a bucket of wet sand it is a most enjoyable score.

I must confess that I'm not familiar with any of Talgorn's other work but would be interested to hear more.

NP: The Chamber of Secrets - best thing that Williams has done in ages.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2003 - 6:34 PM   
 By:   OHMSS76   (Member)

He's good....good conductor(for the Varese series of recordings), good composer(The Temp is a fun score I need to pick up on CD one of these days).

Anyone on earth own a copy of the CBS Records LP(I guess there is no CD) entitled FREDERIC TALGORN. This is referenced in the liner notes of Delta Force 2, and it sounds like it is a studio album of jazz,vocal, and orchestral music by the composer. I think it was released in the 80's, always sounded interesting to me. That 'Hijack' brass motif on DForce 2 is a killer!

NP: The Hours(Glass)
Sean

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2003 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

He also provided a powerful and memorable score for one of the Young Indiana Jones episodes. I can't actually remember the title of the episode but I think it involved the battle of the Somme.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2003 - 7:59 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

Oh man, that's a hot button with me. I love Talgorn. He is one of my favorites of the new generation, and it breaks my heart that he doesn't work more. His ANGELS IN THE ENDZONE is first rate (although it's owned by Disney, so don't hold your breath on a CD). MONTY SPINNERRATZ is wonderful, although Talgorn was disappointed with the little amount of score on the CD. THE TEMP is fantastic, and HEAVY METAL 2000 is also a gem, although I wished it was a bit more thematic. This guy is from the John William's school of scoring. Another crime that he doesn't work more. He's probably too talented.

Roger

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2003 - 10:29 PM   
 By:   Bigbro   (Member)

Talgorn doesn't work much these last years. Too bad. But it's probably his fault more than anything else. His talent as a composer his obvious, but his ego is even bigger than his music skill. That's why none of his music for Young Indiana Jones was ever released (he didn't want to share an album with Mc Neely & Rosenthal, but release a CD containing only his music). And he refused from John Williams an orchestrator job. Now he's stuck working on bad french movies. Too bad for him...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2003 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Talgorn doesn't work much these last years. Too bad. But it's probably his fault more than anything else. His talent as a composer his obvious, but his ego is even bigger than his music skill. That's why none of his music for Young Indiana Jones was ever released (he didn't want to share an album with Mc Neely & Rosenthal, but release a CD containing only his music). And he refused from John Williams an orchestrator job. Now he's stuck working on bad french movies. Too bad for him...

And you know this how exactly?

Are is this just a wild guess on your part?


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2003 - 10:41 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

Odd...when we worked with him, he was quite a humble, personable fellow. Do you know this info first hand?

Roger

Talgorn doesn't work much these last years. Too bad. But it's probably his fault more than anything else. His talent as a composer his obvious, but his ego is even bigger than his music skill. That's why none of his music for Young Indiana Jones was ever released (he didn't want to share an album with Mc Neely & Rosenthal, but release a CD containing only his music). And he refused from John Williams an orchestrator job. Now he's stuck working on bad french movies. Too bad for him...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2003 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Talgorn doesn't work much these last years. Too bad. But it's probably his fault more than anything else. His talent as a composer his obvious, but his ego is even bigger than his music skill. That's why none of his music for Young Indiana Jones was ever released (he didn't want to share an album with Mc Neely & Rosenthal, but release a CD containing only his music). And he refused from John Williams an orchestrator job. Now he's stuck working on bad french movies. Too bad for him...

Mr. Talgorn was never offered a job as John Williams orchestrator. Period.
In the late eighties Mr Williams needed a new orchestrator because Herbert Spencer was becoming ill. He appointed John Neufeld from 1987.
As far as his ego is concerned, I can tell you he is a very nice person, very quiet, extremely professional and dedicated to his craft cool
Finally, I am pretty sure that the fourth cd of the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles never happened because of Mr Talgorn's refusal of "sharing" an album with Joel McNeely and Laurence Rosenthal. Ask Varese and Lucasfilm.

And last but not least, I would love to see Mr Talgorn stuck to more french movies because the one he's just scored is his first in quite a long time.... wink

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2003 - 4:40 AM   
 By:   governor   (Member)



Anyone on earth own a copy of the CBS Records LP(I guess there is no CD) entitled FREDERIC TALGORN. This is referenced in the liner notes of Delta Force 2, and it sounds like it is a studio album of jazz,vocal, and orchestral music by the composer. I think it was released in the 80's, always sounded interesting to me. That 'Hijack' brass motif on DForce 2 is a killer!

NP: The Hours(Glass)
Sean


I have it. Quite a short album (less that 30 minutes), orchestral parts are terrific (a track call "Visions of Kadath" in particular).
For those interested in Mr Talgorn's music he has also recorded seven albums for DeWolfeMusic which are :

FANTASTIC VOYAGE
DWCD0222
FINAL ENCOUNTER
DWCD0246
CENTURY OF WAR
DWCD0256
EPIC MOVIE ADVENTURES
DWCD0272
EPIC MOVIE ADVENTURES 2
DWCD0300
AT THE MOVIES
DWCD0318
POWER & GLORY
DWCD0328





 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2003 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   JohnSWalsh   (Member)

Talgorn and Petit are so underused.

Renting Edge of Sanity (BAD movie) is worth it to hear Talgorn's gorgeous, sweeping main theme--if you like The Fury you'll like this.

Robotjox and The Temp are OK, but Heavy Metal 2000 is a great "epic" score that doesn't get bogged down in variations of one theme.

Now if only I could get people to talk about Peter Martin, my trio of "WHO?" composers would be complete...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2003 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Finally, I am pretty sure that the fourth cd of the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles never happened because of Mr Talgorn's refusal of "sharing" an album with Joel McNeely and Laurence Rosenthal. Ask Varese and Lucasfilm.

From the rest of your post it's clear you're debunking the earlier assertion about Mr. Talgorn's ego, but it's not entirely clear to me what you're saying here regarding Young Indy. For the record, there is a fourth CD volume of music from The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. Like the first three, it features only scoring from Laurence Rosenthal and Joel McNeely.

(Actually, some of them feature cues incorporating quotes from other composers like J. S. Bach in reference to music heard or discussed in the episodes, or present tracks of existing compositions altogether used as source music in the shows from people like George Gershwin, but the series-original music on all four albums is all Rosenthal's or McNeely's).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2003 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)



I have it. Quite a short album (less that 30 minutes), orchestral parts are terrific (a track call "Visions of Kadath" in particular).
For those interested in Mr Talgorn's music he has also recorded seven albums for DeWolfeMusic which are :

FANTASTIC VOYAGE
DWCD0222
FINAL ENCOUNTER
DWCD0246
CENTURY OF WAR
DWCD0256
EPIC MOVIE ADVENTURES
DWCD0272
EPIC MOVIE ADVENTURES 2
DWCD0300
AT THE MOVIES
DWCD0318
POWER & GLORY
DWCD0328







Are you sure about these? I thought each of these contained a short piece of music, less than a minute (or 30 seconds) that could be used as bumpers or short intros. If they were full albums, I'd be after them in a heart beat.

Roger

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2003 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)





And last but not least, I would love to see Mr Talgorn stuck to more french movies because the one he's just scored is his first in quite a long time.... wink


That must be Laisse tes mains sur mes hanches. According amazon.com in France there is a CD, but it appears to be Talgorn and various artists. No track listing. Anyone have any idea how much Talgorn is on it?

Roger

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2003 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   JJH   (Member)

It should also be noted that Mr Talgon does a great job conducting on Varese's re-recording of Peyton Place.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2003 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)


Robotjox and The Temp are OK, but Heavy Metal 2000 is a great "epic" score that doesn't get bogged down in variations of one theme.



Sorry for the shameless plug, but you can hear portions of the HEAVY METAL 2000 score by listening to my VARIOUS ARTIST MIX radio show at the Cinematic Sound On-Demand page. The score is featured near the end of the second hour. Go to http://www.geocities.com/cinematicsound/on_demand.html to hear the show.

Thanks,

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2003 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   OHMSS76   (Member)

THANK YOU govenor for answering my question - it gets old when everyone ignores you all the time instead preferring to drudge up lame rumors in lieu of starting some *gasp* actual conversation!

I listened to Delta Force 2 again last night, still holds up - guess the CBS LP came out in '84. The notes also mention a mini series he did around the same time, whose name escapes me....anyone want to talk about that?

Best,
Sean

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2003 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   TomDeMary   (Member)

He also composed:
Vinum et Sanguinem, cantata or ode to St. Vincent

You can hear some samples at Amazon, but it is probably not interesting for the average soundtracker; it is a work for orchestra, choir, and narrator.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2003 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

Roger, you need to hear these deWolfe discs. They are terrific. Each one has 35-40 minutes of original themes and then 30 second and 1 minute versions of the themes. Great stuff.

 
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