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 Posted:   Sep 13, 2018 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

A friend mentioned to me this a.m. about a 'new' version of 'Mary, Queen of Scots'. The first thing I thought of was something like, 'they don't make films like this anymore these days'. The 1971 version with Vanessa Redgrave and Glenda Jackson is one of my all-time favorites, and I wondered WHO'D play their respective roles now? Sounds like excellent choices to me: Saoirse Ronan and Margot Robbie, as Mary and Elizabeth. WHO is doing the music? All I could find is a name, Max Richter, who means nothing to me. He may be perfect, who knows, but how could he surpass the wonderful score by John Barry?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2018 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)


This is the official music video for this piece, which has been used in MANY movies, most notably "Arrival."

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2018 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I can't say I'm knowledgeable about this composer but everything I have heard of his so far is sleep-inducing and funereal.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2018 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

I can't say I'm knowledgeable about this composer but everything I have heard of his so far is sleep-inducing and funereal.

Best description I've ever read !!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2018 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

Off the top of my head, I honestly cannot think of a composer working today that could write a lush, dramtic, and memorable score as John Barry did with the original. They're all gone. Horner, Barry, Delerue, Goldsmith. Perhaps Craig Armstrong? Perhaps, Maurizio Malagnini, (who has a way with such period material)?

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2018 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Off the top of my head, I honestly cannot think of a composer working today that could write a lush, dramtic, and memorable score as John Barry did with the original.

Couldn't, or hasn't? There isn't a lot of call for the type of score Barry did these days, and I can hardly blame current composers for not scoring "Peppermint" like "Mary, Queen of Scots."

(That said, I have no reason to believe that a current film on this subject would be scored in a lush, dramatic fashion either. Tastes change, and not necessarily because the composer isn't up for something.)

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2018 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Off the top of my head, I honestly cannot think of a composer working today that could write a lush, dramtic, and memorable score as John Barry did with the original.

Phillipe Rombi?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2018 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

Off the top of my head, I honestly cannot think of a composer working today that could write a lush, dramtic, and memorable score as John Barry did with the original.

Couldn't, or hasn't? There isn't a lot of call for the type of score Barry did these days, and I can hardly blame current composers for not scoring "Peppermint" like "Mary, Queen of Scots."

(That said, I have no reason to believe that a current film on this subject would be scored in a lush, dramatic fashion either. Tastes change, and not necessarily because the composer isn't up for something.)


The key word is "memorable". Tons of lush and dramatic scores are written in cinema these days, but very few of them - if any - have truly memorable themes.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2018 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

There are plenty of composers who COULD write a broad, lush and thematic score recalling the heyday of memorable film scores.
John Williams
Frederic Talgorn
Philippe Rombi (mentioned above)
Fernando Velazquez
Benjamin Wallfisch
Alexandre Desplat
James Newton Howard
John Powell
Bruce Broughton
Lee Holdridge
Cliff Eidelman
David Newman
John Scott
...I could go on.
The fact is they are unlikely to be allowed to (apart from John Williams).

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2018 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well at least Cliff Eidelman recorded his first symphony with the London Symphony Orchestra earlier this year -- I'm going to venture a guess that that will have some good sweeping orchestral themes in it, since he got to be his own boss!



https://www.cliffeidelman.com/

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2018 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   Valiant65   (Member)

While I would have preferred to hear what Daniel Pemberton could've done on this film, I am cautiously optimistic that Richter provides a theme as delicate and childlike as his theme for the TV mini-series "Taboo". With tracks like "Lamentation for a Lost Life" and "Taboo Lament (Antimatter Fellini Watz)" and absolutely "Song of the Beyond" , Richter can easily fit right into the historic period of "Mary, Queen of Scots". It might be all up to the intent of the director.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2018 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Frederico Jusid would be a great choice.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2018 - 4:33 PM   
 By:   Kylo Ren   (Member)

Max Richter is an amazing composer. I'm excited for this. Love a great deal of his work.







 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2018 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   David Charles   (Member)

I'm looking forward to the film but I have heard that they repeated the error in the previous film and had Mary and Elizabeth meet. In the earlier film they put in a feeble excuse that the meeting was secret and no-one should ever know. Why can't they do some research? It's a well known fact that Mary and Elizabeth never met.
As far as the score is concerned I hope this composer is 'up to the job'. I have often been disappointed with 'modern' scores finding them little more than background noise with a choir thrown in for no apparent reason. Anyway there is no shortage of music for this period to help the composer so, as Barry did, let's hope this composer produces music which fits the story.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2018 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

I'm looking forward to the film but I have heard that they repeated the error in the previous film and had Mary and Elizabeth meet. In the earlier film they put in a feeble excuse that the meeting was secret and no-one should ever know. Why can't they do some research? It's a well known fact that Mary and Elizabeth never met.
As far as the score is concerned I hope this composer is 'up to the job'. I have often been disappointed with 'modern' scores finding them little more than background noise with a choir thrown in for no apparent reason. Anyway there is no shortage of music for this period to help the composer so, as Barry did, let's hope this composer produces music which fits the story.


Well you can tell from the trailer they aren't going for historical accuracy when they have so many "people of color" cast as prominent members of both queens' royal courts.

James

 
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