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 Posted:   Dec 24, 2000 - 3:58 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

this night i see MAn of la MAncha with Peter O´Toole ans Sophia Loren on TV

but i cant find and don´t know if both were voice dubbed during the songs ??
O´Toole sound very much (but faster) than Richard Kiley

any Info about it ??

and btw, a fab. score http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/wink.gif">

Andy

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2000 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

In the movie version of MAN OF LA MANCHA Peter O'Toole's singing voice is mostly dubbed. I can't recall the singer's name at the moment. Both Loren and Coco supplied thier own voices to the score. Incidently, I belive laurence Rosenthal's musical scoring is the best thing about this otherwise mediocre film version.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2000 - 4:49 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

thanks http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/smile.gif">

but i wonder that Lorens voice is that good,
but iám very interested in the singing voice of o´toole
i think, you can recognize "dubbing" when the "eyes don´t sing the song" and that was definetly the case with "the impossible dream"

and you are right about the film, a shame that the stage version isn´t on tape or dvd
same as with Mame and Angela Lansbury http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/frown.gif">

Andy
 
 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2000 - 6:28 AM   
 By:   PeterD   (Member)

According to the IMDb listing for this movie, a guy named Simon Gilbert did the singing for O'Toole.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2000 - 4:12 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

thanks http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/smile.gif">

Andy

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2016 - 11:21 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

I watched this film the other day and thought it was okay, I admired it more than enjoyed it. But it's stuck with me. Particularly the rousing and emotional musical numbers Dream the Impossible Dream and Man of La Mancha. I'm going to track down as many versions as I can, but I enjoyed the film orchestrations and singing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2016 - 3:14 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I particularly like Rosenthal's orchestration of the overture. He certainly deserved his nomination for an Academy Award for Best Musical Scoring of an Adaptation and Original Song Score. The film also has a nice main title and end credits music, but these have never appeared on any recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2016 - 4:51 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

I managed to see the original cast of MAN OF LA MANCHA, the 8th performance in fact, over 50 years ago, in 1965.

I never could accept O'Toole or Loren in the leads. I had no doubt they could act the parts. But neither of them could sing. So I've never seen the film. I've also heard from many others that it's abysmal. And I just didn't want to mar the memory of a great night at the theatre.

Still haven't seen it. Don't want to see it.

Guess I'm more of a snob than I'd thought.

Go figure...
 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2016 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

I particularly like Rosenthal's orchestration of the overture. He certainly deserved his nomination for an Academy Award for Best Musical Scoring of an Adaptation and Original Song Score. The film also has a nice main title and end credits music, but these have never appeared on any recording.

The main title music appeared on the 8track and possibly the original cassette releases but nowhere else.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2016 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Otoole is dubbed. I don
t think that Lorens singing is good and neither did she.

She was supposed to be postdubbed, but the producers wanted to push that LOREN SINGS !!!
this from her recent memoir.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2016 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I really like Loren singing as Aldonza and the many taunts and bitchbacks going on as she clings to as much modesty and dignity as she can. Nice balance going on there, I think.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2016 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   jskoda   (Member)

I particularly like Rosenthal's orchestration of the overture. He certainly deserved his nomination for an Academy Award for Best Musical Scoring of an Adaptation and Original Song Score. The film also has a nice main title and end credits music, but these have never appeared on any recording.

Very obscure info here, but the End Titles music did show up only on the tape (cassette and 8-track) versions of the UA LA MANCHA soundtrack album. In those days, they'd sometimes throw on extra music in order to fill out unequal program lengths. The UA FIDDLER ON THE ROOF tapes also have extras--"The Pogrom" underscore and the "Entr'Acte."

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2016 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I watched this film the other day and thought it was okay, I admired it more than enjoyed it. But it's stuck with me. Particularly the rousing and emotional musical numbers Dream the Impossible Dream and Man of La Mancha. I'm going to track down as many versions as I can, but I enjoyed the film orchestrations and singing.

This movie was kind of dead in the water because director Peter Glenville (BECKET, SUMMER AND SMOKE), who did most of the casting and overall designing of the film, was let go. Arthur Hiller (HOSPITAL, AMERICANIZATION OF EMILY) who could be quite proficient, but was known for how fast he worked, was thrown in at the last minute. Musicals need a lot of preparation and rethinking. You can't just walk on and do one. Add to that a cast and crew with a certain amount of loyalty to Glenville and very much a European sensibility against Hiller's more American one and the whole thing crashed and burned.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2016 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I particularly like Rosenthal's orchestration of the overture. He certainly deserved his nomination for an Academy Award for Best Musical Scoring of an Adaptation and Original Song Score. The film also has a nice main title and end credits music, but these have never appeared on any recording.

Very obscure info here, but the End Titles music did show up only on the tape (cassette and 8-track) versions of the UA LA MANCHA soundtrack album. In those days, they'd sometimes throw on extra music in order to fill out unequal program lengths. The UA FIDDLER ON THE ROOF tapes also have extras--"The Pogrom" underscore and the "Entr'Acte."


Interesting. I was going to say that I didn't even know there was an 8-track or cassette for the soundtrack, but there it is on the back of the LP:

"Also available United Artists Stereo-Tape Cartridge U-3069 and Cassette K-9069."

And on this poster:
 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2016 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

All the insights here are very interesting, particularly the production issues. Although I believe that O'Toole is dubbed, there is one number where he sings/speaks The Impossible Dream and it sounds like him. Is there a chance they just left that one of him in?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2016 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   jskoda   (Member)

Here's a scan of the track listing from the cassette box. Notice "End Titles" is complete on side two, but just the "Dulcinea" excerpt from it is repeated on side one.
 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2016 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Based on the timings, that's about 2 and a half extra minutes of music on the cassette.

Years ago, I ended up taping the main and end title music from the video.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2017 - 1:24 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Shout Factory will release MAN OF LA MANCHA on Blu-ray on April 25. 2017. Sound is 2.0 stereo. Bonus features will include a vintage featurette, trailer, and photo montage.
 
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