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 Posted:   Feb 12, 2004 - 8:34 PM   
 By:   Jostein   (Member)

This David Arnold score isn't talked about often, and I've heard some negative remarks about it.

However, I love it.

The themes are EPIC and CLASSIC, and belong alongside some of Barry's finest tunes. (I realise I've committed sacriledge by saying this, but you'll have to live with it big grin )

Sure, Nicholas Dodd's orchestrations are occasionally wildly over-the-top, but the themes carry this score, and they are simply wonderful.

"Go In A Good Way" is as touching a farewell cue as you're ever likely to hear. Marvellous.

Easily 4 stars out of 5 for this one, and this is possibly Arnold's second best, next to his "magnum opus" Independence Day, which is quite staggering in scope.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2004 - 9:22 PM   
 By:   wyatt earp   (Member)

The best score Arnold has ever penned, period.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2004 - 12:13 AM   
 By:   David Coscina   (Member)

I agree with Wyatt. I don't think ID4 is Arnold's best work especially compared to the melodic and thematic Last of the Dogmen. Hmmm, been a while since I gave that score a listen...I think I'll put it on right now.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2004 - 12:24 AM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

I almost got rid of the CD a couple of times
because of similarity to Barry (I'm positive
the film was temp-tracked with 'Dances with
Wolves - pretty obvious really). Thankfully
I didn't discard the CD when I realized there
was only one truly offending track and the
rest of it was quite unlike Barry and beautiful
in it's own right.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2004 - 1:36 AM   
 By:   DavidOC   (Member)

I've never heard Last of the Dogmen, but I think Arnold's best score is The Muskateer - phenomenal over-the-top action orchestral action score, far better than any of his Bond efforts. He definately had a ball writing this music.

Also, Stargate's pretty damn good.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2004 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   JohnSWalsh   (Member)

It's the musical equivalent of popcorn without salt or butter. It's got a "white noise" quality to it--after the CD is over I can't recall a note. Yet in the film it has the opposite effect--it's too plodding and in your face/ears.

The themes are loud enough, but undistinguished, with no character. You could label this one "Movie Music" and edit it into any "Outdoor Adventure" movie and it'd work just fine as aural backdrop, kinda like James Horner scores.

There are some composers who are clearly able to write music, just as there are writers who can write, who I simply don't enjoy at all. Arnold is one of them. His scores are just too flat and uninvolving. Even Stargate, which I've enjoyed, is one of those endless CDs I start skipping through.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2004 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   JJH   (Member)

I like the score pretty well.

the main theme, which you don't hear very well in teh movie due to the stinkin' naration, is very nice. Is it Barry-inspired? Who knows? Hardly a bad composer to imitate.


NP -- Bliss, Kaczmarek

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2004 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I agree with JohnSWalsh but then I've never warmed to David Arnold. I wonder if a lot of my dislike is down to Nicholas Dodd's molasses thick orchestrations that rarely allow any detail to shine through?!

NP : Swan Lake - Tchaikovsky cond Ozawa...damn but it's been far too long since I've listened to this magnificent music.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2004 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

There is actually an earlier thread about this:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=9&forumID=1

This is high on my want list (although not on the must-have list). There's just something about Arnold's unique style that I love so much (something about the major-minor shifts, perhaps, that sound NOTHING like Barry in my ears).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2004 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   DaveBuzan   (Member)

"Last of the Dogmen" is my favorite David Arnold score, too. It's a wonderful score!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2004 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   estgrey   (Member)

When I first heard Stargate, I thought "Wow, now here's a new composer to follow." On that early recommendation, I have bought several other Arnold scores, including Independence Day and the Last of the Dogmen, but have not found that any of them live up to the original promise.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 9:40 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

It's the musical equivalent of popcorn without salt or butter. It's got a "white noise" quality to it--after the CD is over I can't recall a note. Yet in the film it has the opposite effect--it's too plodding and in your face/ears.

The themes are loud enough, but undistinguished, with no character. You could label this one "Movie Music" and edit it into any "Outdoor Adventure" movie and it'd work just fine as aural backdrop, kinda like James Horner scores.

There are some composers who are clearly able to write music, just as there are writers who can write, who I simply don't enjoy at all. Arnold is one of them. His scores are just too flat and uninvolving. Even Stargate, which I've enjoyed, is one of those endless CDs I start skipping through.


I'm sorry, I don't mean to churn dirt, but did this user sniff glue before listening? This score is teeming with passion, inspiration and emotional resonance. It's one of the most underrated of the 90's, and dare I say, perhaps Arnold's very best. "Undistinguished"? "No character"? Really? What the hell kind of music does fit that bill if not this?

And am I the only one who doesn't hear ANY Dances with Wolves in this, and also prefers "Dogmen" over "Wolves" by a substantial margin (I know, I'm terrible)?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 11:04 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I haven't heard a note of the music since I saw the film on cable in a hotel room 10 years ago. But I remember liking the score, and this thread prompted me to seek out some of the music. Here's the cue "Leaving Forever."

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 11:09 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

It's the musical equivalent of popcorn without salt or butter. It's got a "white noise" quality to it--after the CD is over I can't recall a note. Yet in the film it has the opposite effect--it's too plodding and in your face/ears.

The themes are loud enough, but undistinguished, with no character. You could label this one "Movie Music" and edit it into any "Outdoor Adventure" movie and it'd work just fine as aural backdrop, kinda like James Horner scores.

There are some composers who are clearly able to write music, just as there are writers who can write, who I simply don't enjoy at all. Arnold is one of them. His scores are just too flat and uninvolving. Even Stargate, which I've enjoyed, is one of those endless CDs I start skipping through.


This person, whomever he is, definitely is trying too hard to troll. What a sad, small fate it must be to be them.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 4:15 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

There was nothing unreasonable or "trolling" about his reply, it's also over 9 years old. Do catch up LeHah.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2013 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)


I picked this score up a week or so ago and finally had a chance to listen to it yesterday. Oh my! What a beauty. I love picking up scores that are unknown to me and finding that they are truly wonderful.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2013 - 11:27 PM   
 By:   The Projectionist   (Member)

There was nothing unreasonable or "trolling" about his reply, it's also over 9 years old. Do catch up LeHah.

Maybe it's not trolling but, unreasonable? Certainly! Just by the first sentence! and it doesn't make a difference if it was 9 years ago, when you post something on the internet its there for life.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 8:15 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

There was nothing unreasonable or "trolling" about his reply, it's also over 9 years old. Do catch up LeHah.

Maybe it's not trolling but, unreasonable? Certainly! Just by the first sentence! and it doesn't make a difference if it was 9 years ago, when you post something on the internet its there for life.



Did I miss something? Should I have started a new thread about this score?

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

There was nothing unreasonable or "trolling" about his reply, it's also over 9 years old. Do catch up LeHah.

Maybe it's not trolling but, unreasonable? Certainly! Just by the first sentence! and it doesn't make a difference if it was 9 years ago, when you post something on the internet its there for life.



Did I miss something? Should I have started a new thread about this score?


This is the exact reason why I insist new threads.

Its a 9 year old conversation!

BTW, I am not bitching at you. I am bitching at those people out there who constantly point out old threads and insist on continuing them. Its not a BLEEPING game of chess. Its a conversation. You don't have to "continue" old ones. It would be like going to a party in 2004 and then, 9 years later continuing the same damn conversation! Its ridiculous! If someone wants to do research on a subject all they have to do is search it out.

So yes -- start a new thread, good sir. It deserves one! smile

MV

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

There was nothing unreasonable or "trolling" about his reply, it's also over 9 years old. Do catch up LeHah.

Maybe it's not trolling but, unreasonable? Certainly! Just by the first sentence! and it doesn't make a difference if it was 9 years ago, when you post something on the internet its there for life.



Did I miss something? Should I have started a new thread about this score?


This is the exact reason why I insist new threads.

Its a 9 year old conversation!

BTW, I am not bitching at you. I am bitching at those people out there who constantly point out old threads and insist on continuing them. Its not a BLEEPING game of chess. Its a conversation. You don't have to "continue" old ones. It would be like going to a party in 2004 and then, 9 years later continuing the same damn conversation! Its ridiculous! If someone wants to do research on a subject all they have to do is search it out.

So yes -- start a new thread, good sir. It deserves one! smile

MV


Ok, I took crap some months ago when I started a new thread lol. Winning is tough around here. Trust me, I take no offense. By the way, it is good "ma'am".

 
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