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 Posted:   Sep 14, 2004 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Just a quick note to offer a thought or two on the new album.

The music has been subtly re-mixed from the Fanderson version and IS actually an improvement. In particular, there were some flaws in the orchestral playing which were baldly exposed by the Fanderson CD mix. Most of these have now been dialed out to good effect.

In general, the sound seems a little warmer and fatter. But while Gray's musical "vision" for the show is broadly well represented, inevitably some cues are missing. Which leads to my only real quibble: the Ondes Martenot track from Black Sun has been chopped in half from even its abridged Fanderson form. A shock and a damn shame as it's probably my favourite piece of Gray. What can I say - it reduced me to tears as a child. The rest of the Black Sun tracks (now in decent stereo) sound fine.

The library cues have been nicely selected, and even the ultra kitsch "The Latest Fashion" has campy entertainment value. Made me laugh anyway.

In all a very good album of an important British scoring milestone. Certainly worth a purchase and very competitively priced too. Well done Silva Screen, Tim Mallett and Ralph Titterton.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2004 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)

I got this in the mail with Bandolero and its great, I loved this show and the music, but I didnt want to shell out what Fanderson wanted for the cds, Im glad Silva put this out and its an improvement on the Fanderson one.
now we need UFO.
sd

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2004 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   Ubik   (Member)

Which leads to my only real quibble: the Ondes Martenot track from Black Sun has been chopped in half from even its abridged Fanderson form.

That's very disappointing! Although the CD sounds like it will be quite good overall, couldn't they have skipped "The Latest Fashion" and kept this cue intact? (And I'm still waiting for some of the really cool electronic stuff from "Another Time, Another Place" to surface.)

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2004 - 6:28 PM   
 By:   That Neil Guy   (Member)

I know I'm the only one, but I kind of miss the two disco tracks from the LP...

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2004 - 7:02 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

That's very disappointing! Although the CD sounds like it will be quite good overall, couldn't they have skipped "The Latest Fashion" and kept this cue intact.

Well, I have a theory about The Latest Fashion - and David Stoner will hate me for saying this wink One of the reasons it's on the album might be because there's a fair chance it'll get used by TV producers and advertisers for new shows. It has supreme kitsch value and is the sort of whacky track that promo guys love to stick over their stuff. I'm pretty sure this kind of thing has happened with Silva's stuff before eg. library cues from their Prisoner album suddenly resurfaced on contemporary commercials and shows after thirty-five years in obscurity. It's just a theory, might be wrong, but it makes business sense. Otherwise The Latest Fashion has a fairly tenuous link to Space 1999. Certainly there are other library cues that are much more important to the show. BUT it is a fun cue and I don't really begrudge its presence. It's a little bit of lightness in a rich and quite dark musical odyssey.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)

An excellent album. Its not as complete as the Fanderson album but apart from that it has pretty much all the best music ( I agree there's one or two elements that are missing or buried in the mix somewhat) and is a very well designed package overall.

I honestly couldn't see the point in including 'The Latest Fashion' which was a very minor piece of source music. Its not an especially good piece either, but I suspect its inclusion was due more to the production team - ie Tim Mallett and Ralph Titterton - wanting to include something 'new' on the album; I don't think this was so much down to David Stoner's commercial aspirations!

I'd agree with Heath's other comments. I'm hoping that Derek Wadsworth's Year 2 scores are forthcoming for the same treatment (I have the Fanderson set but even so....) as some of the mixes in that set were somewhat untrue to the spirit of the originals as well - eg 'Space Warp'. A decent representation of Year 2 is going to take 2 CDs for sure, because Wadsworth wrote a hell of a lot more music than Gray did for the series. I suppose a follow-up to Year 1 is a possibility too, though I think the CD as its been released is a very good overall representation of the Barry Gray scores.

What a pity Gray himself is not around to see his music finally getting the commercial airing it deserves though....

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

I also would love a release of the Year two scores. One track on the Fanderson sounds terrible, nothing at all like how is sounds in the episode. I hope a little judicious re-mixing would fix it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

"Kitsch" is a dangerous word to use in the postmodern era...

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Stefan Miklos   (Member)

"Kitsch" is a dangerous word to use in the postmodern era...

Can you elaborate, please?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   George A Flaxman   (Member)

"Kitsch" is a dangerous word to use in the postmodern era...

Do you mean "post-modem" ?.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   George A Flaxman   (Member)

Space: 1999 from Silva....

The Eagles Have Landed !.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)

I also would love a release of the Year two scores. One track on the Fanderson sounds terrible, nothing at all like how is sounds in the episode. I hope a little judicious re-mixing would fix it.

Which track would you be referring to?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   dashrr   (Member)

Does anybody recall the Movie ISLAND OF TERROR with Peter Cushing about the bone eating monsters?

Malcolm Lockyer scored the film but Barry Gray provided the creepy sound effects for the creatures and their eating/sucking sounds when they attacked...made that movie most effective and gave me the creeps for weeks.

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)



Which track would you be referring to?


What, can't you read my mind? wink

The beginning of Journey to Psychon, when the first act and the episode titles begin. I always loved that cue as a kid, and when I got the CD I was crushed that it sounded nothing like it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)



What, can't you read my mind? wink

The beginning of Journey to Psychon, when the first act and the episode titles begin. I always loved that cue as a kid, and when I got the CD I was crushed that it sounded nothing like it.



The trouble with remixes I suppose. From memory, the piece as broadcast had more synth didn't it? As you say, the CD version didn't sound quite the same. For me though, the slight spoiler for the Fanderson set was that the main action theme from 'Space Warp' seemed to have *too much* synth added - certainly far more than was in the broadcast version (or on the Wadsworth promo CD). As a consequence, instruments such as the brass and drums seemed somewhat de-emphasised and drowned out by over-intrusive synths that weren't prominent in the televised episode. There was a terrific drum roll in this track and the effect of that in the Fanderson album was hugely reduced. The overall 'punch' of the music for this particular episode - very action-orientated - was somewhat spoiled for me.

Still, the Fanderson CD set of the Year 2 score was still superior stuff (if slightly disappointing in one or two of the mixes). I hope it sees a Silva release alongside the Year One score.

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

I agree. In fact, Wadsworth's scores work better on album than they did in the episodes. The episodes had this screaming music for some not-to-great fistfights and chases, and some (seemingly) cheesy lounge muzak in some lighter episodes. But when I got the CDs, I was pleasantly surprised to find I liked the music a LOT more separated from the visuals.

About Space Warp: during one of the blistering action cues, I remember the Promotional CD sounding just like the TV version. Then Fanderson give me opened up stereo and I heard this little "mariachi" like horn totting in the background. And I hated it. Sometimes, too much goodness ain't so good. Well, for me anyway as Ilike to have the version I fell in love with, not some tricked up "supposed to be like this" version. Even if my preferred version is inferior. Of course, no one wants to put out an inferior mono album, so I'm prolly alone in this.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)

.... I heard this little "mariachi" like horn tooting in the background. And I hated it. Sometimes, too much goodness ain't so good. Well, for me anyway as I like to have the version I fell in love with, not some tricked up "supposed to be like this" version. Even if my preferred version is inferior. Of course, no one wants to put out an inferior mono album, so I'm prolly alone in this.

No, it would be nice one day to see a ' mono' version of the 2 CD set - similar to the Wadsworth promo disc I guess. Not that I'm not grateful for the existing Fanderson set. It just goes to show though how its a bit of a minefield when you remix... and to prove that -

- I do have to say that I *loved* the way they brought out the 'mariachi' bit in the trumpets in the piece you talk of though! True, it wasn't audible in the broadcast mix. But it brought out the detail which Wadsworth brought to his arrangements and emphasised (at least in some of the mixes) his jazzy touches. Some of the remixes I think *were* great, in that instrumental detail was added which I personally loved. Its just unfortunate that one or two of the other mixes kind of removed the punch from the action scores a little...

But again, that's a problem with remixing I guess. You can please some people and upset some others and never please everyone all the time! smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

When I bought the set, I was just happy to have the Destruction of Psychon cues since they were my favorite 1999 cuues growing up. When I heard the whole deal in stereo, even with the changes I didn't like, I really gained a lot of respect for Derek. His music is underrated because it's attached to an inferior season of episodes. But his music is excellent, vibrant and full of life and energy. It's also complex with some very imaginative electronics.

So, yeah, I'd love to have some tracks in mono (actually, only the one I mentioned, since the promo album is a great alternative and has more alternate themes), but overall, the double CD is really fantasic.

P.S. I'm glad you knew what I meant re: the mariachi horns. smile My terminology sucks.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 6:49 PM   
 By:   Ubik   (Member)

The beginning of Journey to Psychon, when the first act and the episode titles begin. I always loved that cue as a kid, and when I got the CD I was crushed that it sounded nothing like it.

I think that's because the synthesizers had to be recorded brand new for the CD, then mixed in. I have a similar complaint about the main titles, and I think it's for the same reason.

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2004 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

I suspect its inclusion was due more to the production team - ie Tim Mallett and Ralph Titterton - wanting to include something 'new' on the album; I don't think this was so much down to David Stoner's commercial aspirations!

Well I have secretly taped conversations to prove you wrong! Actually Simon, I wasn't being entirely serious. In any event, it's wonderful to have the music available in high-street record shops - unthinkable only a few years back. Then again it's taken thirty years for this to happen, so it's about bleedin' time!

Sad to hear that the synth tracks had to be re-recorded for the Wadsworth double CD (I don't have it yet). I wonder what could have happened there.

 
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