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 Posted:   Jun 6, 2006 - 12:02 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

What do you think of the song and score?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2006 - 12:29 AM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

I don't like the song very much.
Of what i recall of the score (very jazz-based i believe) is not very memorable (especially if you compare it to Barry's work!).
But i do need to give it a listen again (i don't have the score but i'll watch the film someday again).
Steven Jay Rubin (author of The complete James Bond movie encyclopedia...not really complete since several things, words and names are missing, including Monty Norman!) calls Legrand's effort as a "non-score".

Alex

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2006 - 2:27 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I've never listened to it on disc, but always felt it was weak dramatically. Its kind of an easy-listening score which relies on old movie score cliches. Legrand scores it too much like a comedy. Too light and fluffy, even in the action cues.

Of course the film itself, despite Sean Connery's presence, seemed more modeled on the Roger Moore era than the original Bond films.

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2006 - 3:54 AM   
 By:   Sir Patrick Spens   (Member)

I don't think it's fair to dismiss it simply because it isn't Barry. Not his best, but the motorcycle chase bit is great. As is the music as the film introduces Fatima Blush. I'd give it 3/5 total, the CD's sound quality varies quite a lot between the bulk of the score and the ballroom part(I could've sworn I heard someone's watch alarm go off in one of the tracks)so it wouldn't even get that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2006 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I actually prefer it over most Barry efforts. Read my opinion of this and most of the other Bond films/scores here:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=20562&forumID=1

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2006 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   gumdrops1   (Member)

The score is a weak effort from Legrand. I was disappointed big time in the soundtrack. Though the song is one of the better Bond songs in the series.

A Pittsburgh film critic commented on Legrand's score stating, "Legrand's music sounds as though it were phoned in."

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2011 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I've never seen this film, and it won't be on my Netflix list anytime soon.

I just picked up the CD.

I like Legrand quite a bit. I thought the orchestral segments were generally solid. The source music, however, is some of the most unlistenable, dated stuff imaginable, with those godawful 80s production values. What a bankrupt decade.

Still, I should be able to program a decent suite if I toss out the rest.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2011 - 4:42 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

this score is in a need of a re-release with much improved sound and the missing music.

when that happens I will make a judgment of the score

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2011 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   TerryLee   (Member)

I just watched this again within the last year (when it was released on Blu-Ray) and thought to myself, "Legrand must have been working on two movies at the same time and got the scores mixed up." For the most part, I thought the music was totally unrelated to what was happening on screen.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2011 - 5:27 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

Love seeing threads like this necro'd - often wonder if people's opinions change as much as mine seem to over those years....

NSNA - enjoyable film if you take it as what it is - a remake of a pastiche. My only real problem with it is the involvement of Connery, which inevitable leads to comparisons with certain other movies etc etc etc....feel it might have been a wiser idea to cast a new Bond for a one-off, though it's always great to see Mr Connery Sir in any role, let alone the one he pretty-much still owns.

The score I find to be a mixed bag - some fun moments coupled with some real clunkers....and the mix-up with the opening title and end title songs is a pain in the ass - so my reconstructed CDR gets a lot of use...

...will mention, though it might be relevant/might not be, that I only ever seem to play this CD in the car...whether that says more about the music or me and my car I have no idea...

....how close is the Silva release to being complete? I can't recall of hand anything that is missing, but it is a while since i've had the DVD off the shelf....

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2011 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   Bill Finn   (Member)

I don't understand how a composer who had (just a few years earlier) written "The Windmills Of Your Mind" couldn't come up with a better Bond song than he did. For me, it made matters even worse by having Lanie Kazan sing it. Was this because she was Mrs. Herb Alpert at the time. I thought Alpert was involved in the musical side of the production in some capacity?

A real shame anyway. But Legrand wasn't the only participant sleep-walking through this, I don't think Connery ever woke up.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2011 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

I don't understand how a composer who had (just a few years earlier) written "The Windmills Of Your Mind" couldn't come up with a better Bond song than he did. For me, it made matters even worse by having Lanie Kazan sing it. Was this because she was Mrs. Herb Alpert at the time. I thought Alpert was involved in the musical side of the production in some capacity?

A real shame anyway. But Legrand wasn't the only participant sleep-walking through this, I don't think Connery ever woke up.


Try Lani Hall NOT Lanie Kazan.

Jeeze.

James

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2011 - 5:38 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I love a lot of Legrand's works and I remember being excited at hearing Legrand would be on board to score this film, I thought it was the right choice, however I was crushingly disappointed by it, one of Legrand's worst scores IMO.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2011 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   Bill Finn   (Member)

I don't understand how a composer who had (just a few years earlier) written "The Windmills Of Your Mind" couldn't come up with a better Bond song than he did. For me, it made matters even worse by having Lanie Kazan sing it. Was this because she was Mrs. Herb Alpert at the time. I thought Alpert was involved in the musical side of the production in some capacity?

A real shame anyway. But Legrand wasn't the only participant sleep-walking through this, I don't think Connery ever woke up.


Try Lani Hall NOT Lanie Kazan.

Jeeze.

James


Sorry, I didn't I check first. You're right Lani Hall was the singer (and the wife of Alpert).
Alpert and Sergio Mendes co-produced the song by the way, and Alpert played trumpet.

Hopefully, that is all my typos for now.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2011 - 6:58 PM   
 By:   Col. Flagg   (Member)

As it turns out, I just finished listening to the director's commentary track on the Blu-Ray earlier this afternoon.

The late Irvin Kershner doesn't mince words about the score, which he regrets and says was delivered too late in the game to dump. Instead, they moved it around within the film and fiddled until they felt it did the least damage. He also indicated that Legrand seemingly ignored the needs of the score, focussing on his song duties with comparative gusto. At one point, Steven Jay Rubin (who's moderating the commentary) prompts him about a rumor that James Horner was once considered to score the film. I can't recall what Kersh's response was to that!

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2011 - 1:03 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I enjoy it. I don't know if I should bother to qualify my enjoyment with the "guilty pleasure" excuse either.

Whatever else the score does or doesn't accomplish for the the film itself, it certainly takes the listener directly smack-dab back to 1983 instantly.

I remember the film fondly as well, as it's the first James Bond film our father took us to see on the big screen, and what a treat it was for him to show us the "real" James Bond, the one HE had "grown up with."

So . . . I admit it.

Its appeal is mostly nostalgic for me, but that counts for something doesn't it?

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2011 - 1:17 AM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

I love a lot of Legrand's works and I remember being excited at hearing Legrand would be on board to score this film, I thought it was the right choice, however I was crushingly disappointed by it, one of Legrand's worst scores IMO.

Variety is the spice of life. I love the film and its score as well.
Not the worst Bond soundtrack anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2011 - 1:29 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

FYI,


I always wondered what the title song might sound like it if it was arranged like a Classic Bond title theme by John Barry or now David Arnold....


So, BSX RECORDS decided to do just that.




http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/main-title-song-from-never/id405462983

This recording was performed by Katie Campbell and arranged and produced by Dominik Hauser BSX RECORDS.

If you like it all the credit goes to them...

If you don't, Myself and Mr. Banning were the ones who commissioned and approved it, so the buck stops with us.

We hope you take a moment to sample it.



Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2011 - 1:36 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

As it turns out, I just finished listening to the director's commentary track on the Blu-Ray earlier this afternoon.

The late Irvin Kershner doesn't mince words about the score, which he regrets and says was delivered too late in the game to dump. Instead, they moved it around within the film and fiddled until they felt it did the least damage. He also indicated that Legrand seemingly ignored the needs of the score, focussing on his song duties with comparative gusto. At one point, Steven Jay Rubin (who's moderating the commentary) prompts him about a rumor that James Horner was once considered to score the film. I can't recall what Kersh's response was to that!


Well, that story was told me to DIRECTLY by the late Jack Schwartzman when I made the deal for SILVA SCREEN RECORDS.

Let's just say that according to him, His wife, the director, himself and Mr. Connery had lunch with Mr. Horner to discuss scoring the project and afterwards it was Mr. Connery who vetoed using him, let's just say that Mr. Horner didn't make a good imipression with Mr. Connery and leave that.



Ford A. Thaxton




 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2011 - 1:57 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Let's just say that according to him, His wife, the director, himself and Mr. Connery had lunch with Mr. Horner to discuss scoring the project and afterwards it was Mr. Connery who vetoed using him, let's just say that Mr. Horner didn't make a good imipression with Mr. Connery and leave that.


I'll bet young Horner said something like,

"Pleased to meet you Mr Connery. Have you done any films before this project?"

 
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