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 Posted:   Mar 23, 2007 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)



"Rockers and film music don't mix". Oh, how very, very wrong. Rockers doing film music is perhaps the most exciting part of movie scores. It is *so* refreshing to hear a rock artist doing movie music in his own way, going away from the standard cliched orchestral Hollywood style which we hear in 90 % of all movies.


Except that you have musicians of limited capablity and training like in my opinion, Trevor Rabin TRYING to do the "cliched orchestral Hollywood style".

I do agree that non-classical and/or pop/rock musicians doing their OWN thing on a film IS exciting. Gabriel's TEMPTATION being a prime example. It's when you have limited ability niche composers shoved into the traditional 90 piece orchestra format where it all goes wrong. As mentioned above however, that's sadly where Hollywood is right now.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2007 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

It's when you have limited ability niche composers shoved into the traditional 90 piece orchestra format where it all goes wrong.

I kinda agree with that, although I wouldn´t use Rabin as an example, who excels at the prog rock/symphonic blend that Zimmer pioneered (Mark Knopfler or Ry Cooder would be better examples, IMO...arguably also David Grusin and Randy Newman). Still, though, there are examples of "self-taught" rockers who have learned to grasp the orchestral idiom as well as - if not even BETTER than - classically trained composers (Elfman being the prime example again).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2007 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

Still, Elfman was more than just a hair guitarist (which is all that Rabin was and still is). He wrote all the Boingo stuff and was into combining other instruments like horns and such. His musical direction, even by the point of that gong show video was pretty heavyweight, and he always had a taste for leadership. Very much an author of his music. His ideas during the new-wave period were pretty cinematic, and referrenced sci fi and genre in general. Makes sense that he could adapt this vision for big screen orchestral treatment. But (in my opinion) hair guitarist Rabin scoring a war movie with a big classical orchestra? Nah, that's VERY destructive I think. Qualified, trained composers in the Goldsmith mold should be scoring those movies in that way, unless it knows it's a one off.

I really liked the experiment of having TOTO score DUNE with an orchestra, because that is all it intended to be: a novelty experiment. I don't think the Porcaro's never for a second thought of themselves as real full blood composers in the Goldsmith/Williams mold. I think everyone was in on the joke, plus Brian Eno popped up randomly with a theme.

General consensus on these boards is that we're all very sick of watching a movie and hearing a load of boring, simple and overly familiar ambient orchestral drones. Backed to a temp track, no less. The underqualified rockers given an orchestra are largely to blame (though not entirely). If half of them just stuck wioth their guitars and keyboards, the results would be far more convincing and satisifying.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2007 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Well, your comments on Rabin are very inaccurate. How many of his scores have you actually heard? Give me a list...

I don't look upon Rabin as a rock-artist incorporating an orchestra. His scores are still very much based on rock elements, with a couple of exceptions the last few years. And if and when he goes the orchestral route, I really don't see why those scores are worse than the ones from those highly praised composers. In addition, Rabin is capable of writing themes like no other contemporary composer.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2018 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I know I'm a few decades late to the party, but I just now got the score (I've still not seen the movie, though!) -- and wow! What a splendid score. From before, I only had a single track on a compilation, but this whole thing is right up my alley. It sounds incredibly fresh and contemporary too; this wouldn't be out of place in a movie of today.

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2018 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I had the score on cassette(!) years ago, though I've long lost it and never replaced it on CD. The only track I'm overly familiar with is probably the same one on a Peter Gabriel compilation I have. I like the film as well, thought it was very well executed and thought provoking.

 
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