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It´s kind a cool to see,-for the list goes back to 2008 -,how many actually got released so far
Keep ´em coming.
Thanks. I just made an enhancement to the list to better identify those LPs that have been released on CD. I think the count was 437 of them since March 2008 -- about 49 per year over 9 years.
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THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK RSO 2XLP ...
Is there something significant in that set that has never made it onto CD?
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Apr 6, 2017 - 12:54 AM
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Bob DiMucci
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THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK RSO 2XLP ...
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Is there something significant in that set that has never made it onto CD?
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As you know the RSO CD release have been truncated , many of us think that the sound of the RSO release is better than RCA and Sony complete edition, and yes significant as the 7 missing tracks that run 35 minutes ...
Admittedly, it's a judgment call, but I'm not going to put it on the list. Many CD releases of LPs have been remastered, expanded, and re-ordered from their original incarnations on LP. If I were to keep the LPs open on the list as unreleased until the exact LP configuration appeared on CD, we'd have a lot fewer being noted as being released. And many likely would remain "unreleased" forever.
Of course, it's a different story when the LP is a re-recording of what appeared on the actual soundtrack. For that reason, I've kept titles such as PATTON, STAGECOACH, and the FLINT films on the list until their LP versions appeared. And, if only part of an LP has made it to CD (e.g., BLOODLINE, MY GEISHA), I've kept it on the list until a complete version appears. But if the same performance is on CD and all of the music is out there, I'm not going to keep the light burning for a different mastering or ordering. Someone else can start and maintain a list of "Original Masterings That Should Be Released on CD."
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I have one item for your consideration: MARAT/SADE. There was an LP of the Peaslee songs which was released on CD many years ago and which nowadays goes for crazy prices (attention Kritzerland!), but there was also a box set of three LPs which contained the complete soundtrack of the film - dialogue, music, sound effects - that has never appeared on CD (and probably never will given that one can actually own the whole movie now). It may not fall within the parameters of your list, but I'm throwing it out there nonetheless.
Essankay: Your post raises some interesting questions of recording archaeology. My understanding is that the 3-LP set was a recording of the 1965 stage production and seemingly had nothing to do with the 1967 film. The set was released by Caedmon Records, one of the pioneers in spoken word recordings. But the question is not so black-and-white. Since Peter Brooks and the Royal Shakespeare Company did both the stage production and the film (which was essentially a filmed record of the play), when it came time to issue a soundtrack LP, United Artists Records and Caedmon Records jointly issued the 1967 LP.
That LP, labeled "Original Motion Picture Soundtrack Music," has a strange notation in the lower right corner of the back cover. It says "Complete Original Broadway Cast Recording Including Text by Caedmon Records." Is that saying that the soundtrack LP comes from the earlier Broadway cast recording, thus suggesting that the actors lip-synced to THAT recording for the film? Or is that text an advertisement for Caedmon's original recording, informing consumers that if they want the complete OBC recording (including text), it is available from Caedmon? I believe it to be the latter, and that the film recording is a different performance from the stage recording. Thus, there is no reason to include the stage recording on our list.
There is, however, a lingering question regarding the 1992 Premier Records CD, as to whether it is or is not the same performance as is shown in the film. The reasons to believe that it may be the film performance are:
Although the CD performance claims to be from 1966, that would make sense for a film released on 22 February 1967. The film recording of necessity would have to be done in 1966.
With the exception of one musician, every performer and musician on the CD also appeared in the film.
The reasons to believe that it is not the film performance are:
The CD is missing one 35-second track from the LP, and has its finale truncated by 40 seconds from the LP. Of course there is an entire second show recording ("Us") on the CD, but the total program only clocks in at 62 minutes, so that's no reason for the differences in Marat/Sade.
If Caedmon and UA wanted joint credit for the soundtrack LP, it's hard to understand how both of them would cede its release to Premier, without so much as a credit to either of them being given on the CD cover.
The website CastAlbums.org lists the CD with the stage recordings of the show and not with the film recording. Since the play opened on Broadway on 27 December 1965, the Caedmon 3-LP recording was issued in 1966. The CD, which is copyrighted 1966, may be a cut-down version of the full stage recording.
Of course, the CD, which has copyright notices to music publisher Hygate Press (listed as Highgate Music), composer Richard Peaslee, and Premier Recordings, may just be an unauthorized release of a composer's tape of the film recordings, which would explain the absence of any mention of the film. The bottom line is that there is sufficient evidence to believe that the CD release is either not the film recording or is an unauthorized release of the film recording -- sufficient enough for me to place the Caedmon/UA single LP back on the list.
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What about THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES LP by Jerry Fielding?
I know a private pressing CD of the complete film score was issued, but it's never been made commercially available and the LP is a somewhat different beast.
edit..I've just noticed the original SWARM LP by JG is on the list, so Josey Vales belongs there too
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Apr 6, 2017 - 12:35 PM
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Bob DiMucci
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What about THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES LP by Jerry Fielding?
I know a private pressing CD of the complete film score was issued, but it's never been made commercially available and the LP is a somewhat different beast.
edit..I've just noticed the original SWARM LP by JG is on the list, so Josey Wales belongs there too
According to Ford Thaxton, "The [SWARM] album was a re-recording done about a week after the film sessions with pretty much the same orchestra." The fact that the LP is of a different performance is the reason it is on the list.
As for THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES, AFAIK, the LP was not a re-recording. I don't think that the Screen Archives Entertainment CD of that score was any more of a private pressing than the 30 or so other CDs issued by SAE have been. It just happened to be one of their earliest CDs and received less distribution. While exclusive to SAE, they certainly sold it commercially, just as today they exclusively and commercially sell limited edition Twilight Time Blu-rays. And there are probably more copies of THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES out there than there will be of the latest 300-copy Kronos Records release.
As I noted in my comments 3 posts above, to gyorgyL on THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, any CD release that comes from the original tracks and not from the LP master tape is going to be "a somewhat different beast" in terms of mastering, as well as the order, timings, and combination of tracks. But if the performance is the same and all of the music is out there on CD, the LP is "released" as far as I'm concerned.
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