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 Posted:   Aug 31, 2008 - 3:48 AM   
 By:   reneintoys   (Member)

I think some scores are so close to classical pieces that the difference is hard to tell sometimes, I "discovered" some classical tracks that I have appreciate after hearing them in movies I have seen.

For instance, for Minority Report: Franz Schubert-Symphony no.8 in B minor (unfinished), this one is brilliant and fits the movie very well.(whispermode: almost better than the John Williams score.wink )
Here you can hear a part: http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Symphonies-Carlos-Kleiber-Philharmoniker/dp/B000001GXE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_11?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1220091097&sr=8-11

Do you know some other classical pieces that are worth mentioning cause they are great and above all very effective in movies?
And I don't mean the well known classical parts for 2001, Out of africa, Amadeus ( wink),a clockwork orange, the Shining..etc.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2008 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

...Schubert's Unfinished Symphony WAS in Minority Report. Tom Cruise turns it on as he's trying to find the pre-crime at the start of the movie...?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2008 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Rexor   (Member)

I think some scores are so close to classical pieces that the difference is hard to tell sometimes, I "discovered" some classical tracks that I have appreciate after hearing them in movies I have seen.

Yes, there are several classical peices and non-classical peices, which could work well in a scene of a film, but original scores are produced for a purpose...


For instance, for Minority Report: Franz Schubert-Symphony no.8 in B minor (unfinished), this one is brilliant and fits the movie very well.(whispermode: almost better than the John Williams score.wink ) Here you can hear a part:

This one has been used a lot. Have you heard it's use in Double Indemnity? Still, I don't think it fits the film as well as Rozsa's score. wink

Do you know some other classical pieces that are worth mentioning cause they are great and above all very effective in movies? And I don't mean the well known classical parts for 2001, Out of africa, Amadeus ( wink),a clockwork orange, the Shining..etc.

Well, Schubert has written several peices that could sound well in films. There's his Death and Maiden quartet, which has been featured in several films, including a film with the same name. His "Trout" Quintet could have easily been used in a scene, like the Smeagol fishing scene, in Return of the King.

If you're looking for classical peices that sound like film scores, I suggest you start with Atterberg's Third Symphony, which is entitled "West Coast Pictures." This one would work very well in a movie. Just read the review:

http://www.amazon.com/Kurt-Atterberg-Symphonies-Nos-6/dp/B00004XSN3/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1220197003&sr=1-3


-Rex

NP: Bruch's Scottish Fantasy (Heifetz)

PS: You might want to check out Rozsa's voilin concerto too! wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2008 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

Something that Naxos does on a yearly basis is to release a Cinema Classic CD.
http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/cinema-classics-2007various-artists/

The limiting factor of material is it had to be recorded by Naxos and while their catalog of material is well over 3000 now it still falls short of many of the members of this board. The link for their Classical Music in Movies is also listed below. A specific work in a particular film could be answered by the 'experts here' This is a starting point only!
http://www.naxos.com/musicinmovies.asp?letter=A

There is a book that among other genres touches upon the use of classical music in films. It is a academic study by professors likely for an audience of their network (I suspect some thesis work is involved in this). While I'm sure Thor wouldn't agree with some of the thesis and opinions I found it to be a challenging but a read where I learned a lot.
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2006/may06/changing_tunes.htm

John Williams would have traded in the writing of several of his scores to have written 'Unfinished' In some circles it is considered one of the greatest works ever written. I have 11 different recordings of the work.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2008 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   no1maestro   (Member)

So this subject arises once more. First, I will add Barber's "Adagio" as an often used "war horse" along with Wagner's "Ride Of The Valkyries"

I'm still not convinced that this is such a debate. Most classical music was written as either concrete or programmatic. Concrete is for the music itself and does not have a "given" program or idea. Program music, on the other hand, is describing a particular scene, feeling or some sort of descriptive idea.

Film music falls under the latter and is expressly written for a specific effect. It is possible to find classical music that does the job well but there has to be some trimming of either the music or the action in the film to make it work. A film score is written after the fact, usually, and doesn't suffer the same editing; at least not as much.

I love all forms of music and I just don't see that there should be such a "vs." problem!!

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2008 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

The huge difference of course is the cost.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2008 - 8:35 PM   
 By:   streichorchester   (Member)

I'm still not convinced that this is such a debate. Most classical music was written as either concrete or programmatic. Concrete is for the music itself and does not have a "given" program or idea. Program music, on the other hand, is describing a particular scene, feeling or some sort of descriptive idea.

The term you're describing is actually "absolute music." Musique concrète is something entirely different.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2008 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   no1maestro   (Member)

Let's not quibble about terms; I know and you know the difference between the terms. Absolute and concrete are used to mean the same; the French genre is a subset of these.
Thanks for your input though!!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2008 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

To me, the closest classic music sounding movie score track is the Main Titles from Harry and The Hendersons. If I didn`t know it was composed by Bruce Broughton specific to this movie I would have guessed it was a classical piece by a classical composer.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2008 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

If a director wants that classical music sound there is no limit to his choices.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2008 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   tranzishun   (Member)

just a couple of examples that come to mind where classical music used as a score works great..

how about "Raging Bull" - Mascagni - Callaveria Rusticana: Intermezzo

"The Man Who Who Wasn't There" though scored by Carter Burwell you could say this one was scored by Beethoven as well. More than half of the music is Beethoven's Piano Sonata's and works quite well as a score.

I love Classical Music and Film Scores. When it comes to Classical music I tend to like classical piano or keyboard music more so than orchestral.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2008 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/cinema-classics-2007various-artists/

That is a decent place to start.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2008 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   no1maestro   (Member)

A thought that I omitted in my first posts were those film composers who write in a quasi-classical style. One of the best of these is Delerue; he just has the knack of writing original music for films but cloaks it in a classical "sounding" style. He isn't the only one but I know of no one that does it better!!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2008 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   streichorchester   (Member)

Aside from Kubrick films, Excalibur and The Hudsucker Proxy are two films that come immediately to mind when I think about classical music being used effectively in a score.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2008 - 5:12 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

There are so many films that make a good use of classical music. I just finished the upcoming movie The Duchess and the use of Haydn and Beethoven is I'm sure most effective.
http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/the-duchessrachel-portman/

While I'm not a doctor like Thor or Ness it would make for some interesting reading in my opinion.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2008 - 9:04 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

There are some outstanding classical pieces in the score pictured below (not to mention other horror faves of mine, like THE EXORCIST and THE SHINING):

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2008 - 12:54 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

Then we have the Main Title from The Gorky Park by James Horner...and it also includes classical music to a great effect, I like it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2008 - 2:20 AM   
 By:   Natrebo   (Member)

Henryk Gorecki's Symphony 3 "Sorrowful Songs", First Movement used in the movie Fearless - the whole symphony HAS to be heard straight through without interruption to receive the full impact (something that is inherent in all great classical music, but less so in film scoring).

The decline of interest in classical music can easily be attributed to the "sound-bite" and 3 minute song mentality of mass media today.

IMHO, that's all.

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2008 - 5:07 AM   
 By:   Hank V   (Member)

I see classical music as the other extreme to the pop music scoring for films. Ok for a scene or two but not a whole movie. Give me a well crafted film score anyday.

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2008 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

I see classical music as the other extreme to the pop music scoring for films. Ok for a scene or two but not a whole movie. Give me a well crafted film score anyday.

I agree; the problem I have with using classical music (and pop) is that I may have other associations with the music, and for the most part, I find it distracting.
I would much rather the film have its own voice.

 
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