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 Posted:   Apr 25, 2009 - 3:33 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I've always enjoyed this soundtrack - from the swingin' cocktail tunes to the faux-adventure music (in the Gimbel burglary scene etc.) to the moody Mancini pastiche song "Make Me Rainbows" (eloquently revisited in 1995's "Moonlight" for SABRINA).

However, I just now got around to seeing the film. Man, it'a quite bad. It's absolutely NOT funny anywhere, performances are hammy by everyone including Van Dyke (although fun to see a very young Sam Waterston as the chauffeur) and everything just feels so RUSHED. The jokes (if you could call them that) are never allowed room to breathe, and the plot just strides ahead before you actually know what just happened. I can certainly see why this is forgotten in the annals of film history.

Williams' music is fine, but the film is a little overscored, especially in the beginning, almost as if the music is trying to be "funny" or leviate some of the poor writing. There's also some weirdly overdone suspense music as the secretary is prowling around the estate. Off the top of my head, I can't really remember any particular moments with striking musical use.

But we'll always have the soundtrack from Varese, which is entertaining stuff!


 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2009 - 5:31 AM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

While Goldsmith is probably the champion turd-polisher of all time, Williams has provided his share of manure makeovers, including the execrable FITZWILLY.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2009 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   MICHAEL HOMA   (Member)

just played this the other and have to say its almost up there with early johnny william'S HOW TO STEAL A MILLION, almost. just a really fun listening time. must admit , never saw the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2009 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

just played this the other and have to say its almost up there with early johnny william'S HOW TO STEAL A MILLION, almost. just a really fun listening time. must admit , never saw the film.

Don't watch it! You don't wanna taint your good opinion of the soundtrack by exposing yourself to that. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2011 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

just played this the other and have to say its almost up there with early johnny william'S HOW TO STEAL A MILLION, almost. just a really fun listening time. must admit , never saw the film.

Don't watch it! You don't wanna taint your good opinion of the soundtrack by exposing yourself to that. wink



For those who can't resist, "Fitzwilly" has been issued as a made-on-demand DVD as part of the MGM Classics Collection.

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2011 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

The score was pretty lightweight. The movie was feeble. I sold it on ebay several years ago for a fairly tidy little sum. Williams scores of this era, with the exception of parts of PENELOPE are somewhat off putting to me. He just didn't seem to have the touch.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2011 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The score was pretty lightweight. The movie was feeble. I sold it on ebay several years ago for a fairly tidy little sum. Williams scores of this era, with the exception of parts of PENELOPE are somewhat off putting to me. He just didn't seem to have the touch.

Oh, I think he had "the touch" for the most part. It's just that the source material was - with a few exceptions - unbelieveably bad.

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2011 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

While Goldsmith is probably the champion turd-polisher of all time, Williams has provided his share of manure makeovers, including the execrable FITZWILLY.

That's some "touch."

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2011 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

While Goldsmith is probably the champion turd-polisher of all time, Williams has provided his share of manure makeovers, including the execrable FITZWILLY.

That's some "touch."


Indeed. HEARTBEEPS, anyone? Talk about lousy electronics. Williams was a hack in that little endeavor.

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2011 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Actually, Steve, I was trying to point out to someone (whose name I won't mention) that someone else made the dual connection of Goldsmith/Williams in the polite sense (bluntly speaking) of putting a shine on that which don't shine. As for Heartbeeps, I cannot make comment having not heard it, let alone seen it. I believe it has sold out. Couldn't this also be a case of score-shine? big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2011 - 9:23 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

I've always enjoyed this soundtrack - from the swingin' cocktail tunes to the faux-adventure music (in the Gimbel burglary scene etc.) to the moody Mancini pastiche song "Make Me Rainbows" (eloquently revisited in 1995's "Moonlight" for SABRINA).

However, I just now got around to seeing the film. Man, it'a quite bad. It's absolutely NOT funny anywhere, performances are hammy by everyone including Van Dyke (although fun to see a very young Sam Waterston as the chauffeur) and everything just feels so RUSHED. The jokes (if you could call them that) are never allowed room to breathe, and the plot just strides ahead before you actually know what just happened. I can certainly see why this is forgotten in the annals of film history.

Williams' music is fine, but the film is a little overscored, especially in the beginning, almost as if the music is trying to be "funny" or leviate some of the poor writing. There's also some weirdly overdone suspense music as the secretary is prowling around the estate. Off the top of my head, I can't really remember any particular moments with striking musical use.

But we'll always have the soundtrack from Varese, which is entertaining stuff!





Thor, the album you're referring to (originally released on United Artists, then M.C.A. Classics, and the Varese Club release that also includes Williams' score for "The Long Goodbye") is a rerecording.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2011 - 9:24 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

just played this the other and have to say its almost up there with early johnny william'S HOW TO STEAL A MILLION, almost. just a really fun listening time. must admit , never saw the film.

Don't watch it! You don't wanna taint your good opinion of the soundtrack by exposing yourself to that. wink



For those who can't resist, "Fitzwilly" has been issued as a made-on-demand DVD as part of the MGM Classics Collection.



As far as I'm concerned, "Fitzwilly" is Williams' best comedy score.

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2011 - 9:29 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

It just goes to show how weak Williams is in certain areas.

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2011 - 11:47 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

It just goes to show how weak Williams is in certain areas.

Fitzwilly is not a masterpiece but it's a seminal work to understand the evolution of JW's style. In FW you can hear tunes very close to Jaws' Promenade for instance.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2011 - 2:23 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thor, the album you're referring to (originally released on United Artists, then M.C.A. Classics, and the Varese Club release that also includes Williams' score for "The Long Goodbye") is a rerecording.

Yes, I know. Excellent stuff!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2011 - 3:30 AM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

Ain't nothing like getting your Willy into a good Fitz!

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2011 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

I happen to like both the movie and the score. Different strokes for different folks and all that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2011 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   jamoase   (Member)

Thor, the album you're referring to (originally released on United Artists, then M.C.A. Classics, and the Varese Club release that also includes Williams' score for "The Long Goodbye") is a rerecording.


Is it a re-recording by Williams? Were the original session tapes lost?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2011 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   shadowman   (Member)

I happen to like both the movie and the score. Different strokes for different folks and all that.

As do I. My favorite Williams comedy score and I love both the vocal and instrumental arrangements of 'Make Me Rainbows".

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2011 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

I happen to like both the movie and the score. Different strokes for different folks and all that.

As do I. My favorite Williams comedy score and I love both the vocal and instrumental arrangements of 'Make Me Rainbows".


Same here, Shadowman. "Make Me Rainbows" was my introduction to John Williams (and Marilyn and Alan Bergman).

 
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