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 Posted:   Dec 19, 2009 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

[Has this new one been released in any form before?

Yes, released on LP. No, not a composer initialed GD and yes, new to Kritzerland.


Well, the clues till now are: A major, deceased Oscar-winning composer new to Kritzerland with a score for a small film which had been released on LP and wich is neither from UA nor from Paramount.
I am thinking about Tiomkin's documentary score RHAPSODY OF STEEL which had been released on a rare LP in 1959. Am I too far off the mark?


By the way, a few days ago the Bernstein CD LOVE WITH THE PROPER STRANGER has arrived here. What a delicate and really touching score this is with excellent sound quality. For me one of the best releases of this year. Many thanks to Bruce for making something magical like this happen!

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2009 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   workingwithknives   (Member)

Still waiting for my copy to arrive, hopefully tomorrow.

frown

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2009 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   workingwithknives   (Member)

Still waiting for my copy to arrive, hopefully tomorrow.

frown


Arrived today.

smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2009 - 11:04 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Hope you enjoy!

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2009 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   AlexCope   (Member)

I just gave this album a spin. I'd never heard a note of this until today, and it's really something to hear a piece of music by Alex North for the first time. The neurons in my brain were firing away trying to keep up with the way he toys with children's rhymes in the main title. And then the main theme in the next track - absolutely sublime. Overall, I'm again impressed at just how deftly North balances beauty and tension. I wish the original End Titles had survived in a little better quality, but I'm glad the rest sounds so terrific. A fine release.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2009 - 7:59 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Absoluetly love this score the main theme is just gorgeous, of the recent releases I have played this, "Revolution" and "Innerspace" the most.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2009 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

How many more Alex North titles could there be to come, except the obvious?

Maybe it'll be revamping of previous releases. Under The Volcano is worthwhile, only had a split second release way back, probably 90's.

The only disappointment I've had with North is the Fisherman's shoes/2001/Dragon Slayer all being of the same cloth ... I always want something new from the master.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2009 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

A superb release; I've played it a couple of times. The Original Main Title is stunning; I love playing it back to back with the Main Title from THE BAD SEED. (Of course, it makes me a little fearful of the neighbor kids.)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 6:29 PM   
 By:   Chris Malone   (Member)

Just thought that this thread deserved a reactivation to pass on my thanks for this CD.

I don’t have a terribly large amount of North in my collection but I do enjoy this.

I am somewhat puzzled why it was decided to replace North’s playful and inspired original “Main Title” with the rescore that fades out well before the actual title sequence finishes. The original would have masterfully segued to the piano playing opening sequence.

“Alone” is a particular standout using strings to convey much of the emotional power.

It’s fascinating to hear the lighter and darker moments of the score contrast and integrate. Wonderful stuff.

Cheers
Chris

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2010 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)


I don’t have a terribly large amount of North in my collection but I do enjoy this.

It’s fascinating to hear the lighter and darker moments of the score contrast and integrate. Wonderful stuff.

Cheers
Chris


Glad you love "The Children's Hour", Chris. Alex North is probably my favorite American composer who wrote for films. "The Children's Hour" is amongst my Top 10 of North works.

Seeing that you appreciate this, one wonders why you do not own a lot of North's soundtracks (unless it's a fiscal matter). "The Children's Hour" is a film adaption of a play, and not only was North the best at capturing psychological/emotional elements underneath the surfaces, he was commissioned to write for many stage-to-screen movies:
"Death Of A Salesman"
"The Bad Seed"
"The Rainmaker"
"Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf?"
to name a few...

Perhaps you already have these? If not, then these come recommended.
"Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf?", in some passages, communicates anguish just as "The Children's Hour"; but, "The Bad Seed" ingeniously melds a children's tune with overall dread and menace (a different parallel with "The Children's Hour").
Will you be obtaining additional North titles into your collection, Chris?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2011 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

It's maybe quite a long time now but I would need some piece of advice regarding the "original main title" North composed prior to the "film version main title" we all know, "original main title" that keeps bothering me for quite a long...

Usually a main title is like a visit card : it should give the mood of the whole movie (sad story, funny story, mystery, etc.).

That's not the case.

So someone could figure North wanted to surprise the spectator by misleading him in the first place. Problem is CHILDREN'S HOUR is one of the most famous play ever...and there had been a very famous previous adaptation too(which, by the way, I like a lot : Bonita Granville is absolutely outstanding).

And there's that strange phrase starting at 00'39 that sounds...mexican !

Is it me or do you find this sounds mexican too ?! And if "yes"...why ?

And do you recognize any musical material exposed in that original main title that you find again ahead into the score ?

So, in another words : what were North's intentions by composing such a main title ?

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2011 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

The phrase you speak of initially sounds Mexican because of the same note triplets played by the trumpets (a Mariachi music trait), but you quickly learn it's actually a variant of "Chopsticks", a piano piece played by many children growing up. This plays perfectly into the children's nursery rhyme sound of the opening title. I don't think it's meant to sound Mexican, it just has a similar sound in the opening notes of the phrase. At least that's my take on it anyway!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2011 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

The phrase you speak of initially sounds Mexican because of the same note triplets played by the trumpets (a Mariachi music trait), but you quickly learn it's actually a variant of "Chopsticks"

I didn't get it in the first place. Now you mention this I can hear the "Chopsticks" rhythm (if not the melody).

But I can't help myself thinking : what a strange original main title...

Thanks for your guess !

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2011 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


the original Main Title sounds like a demented version of Skip to My lou.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2011 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

From Bruce Kimmel's liner notes:

His original main title music is very interesting - it plays with children's nursery rhyme tunes (especially "Skip Yo My Lou") while we see images of children playing and their various activities.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2014 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   OpeningTitle   (Member)

Having recently rediscovered the movie "The Children's Hour" and its score, I recalled Kritzerland had released a limited edition of the soundtrack in '09. But, of course, I soon found out (as expected) it's sold out. So, I purchased a used copy on Amazon.
While I am once again thrilled with the quality of this cd like all Kritzerland albums I own, I am disappointed that the music from the climax of the movie (when Audrey Hepburn's character races upstairs fearing Shirley MacClaine's character has committed suicide) is missing. In this scene, the main theme is backed with blaring brass leading to a great abrupt finish after Audrey bangs the lock off the door to find Shirley hanging. It's terrific score!
The liner notes make no mention of missing music. I wrote Krizerland inquiring about this over a month ago but received no response. Does anyone have any ideas or information that might explain this missing climax music? Was it not available in the masters? Did other buyers miss this cue upon purchase? I found no mention of it in this thread.

Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2014 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Does anyone have any ideas or information that might explain this missing climax music? Was it not available in the masters? Did other buyers miss this cue upon purchase? I found no mention of it in this thread.

Thanks.


Hi, OpeningTitle.

Glad you appreciate vintage film scores, such as this one.

Years prior to Kritzerland's issue of THE CHILDREN'S HOUR, North's music for this appeared on a b**tleg album along with the original tracks from VIVA ZAPATA!

Both titles have received legit releases since then, but the music from that climactic scene you describe was not on that unmentionable either.

At this juncture, one can only assume that this part of the film score is not available.
I think I read that the only surviving tapes (monaural) exist in a library or university archive.
My understanding is that a record producer first pays the license fee on any title, then subsequently gains access to whatever recording session elements remain.
The M-G-M music archives no longer have any tapes on North's THE CHILDREN'S HOUR (from my memory of the situation), so only the mono-mixdown / composer's private copy exists.

These were then sent to James Nelson @ Digital Outland for restoration and mastering.

My guess would be that either the producer or director of THE CHILDREN'S HOUR had wanted alternative music for the suicide scene and a seperate recording session was done soley for that scene. The tapes for that particular scene probably did not get stored along with the other main recordings (this is my guess, anyway).

Hope this helps? smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2014 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Having recently rediscovered the movie "The Children's Hour" and its score, I recalled Kritzerland had released a limited edition of the soundtrack in '09. But, of course, I soon found out (as expected) it's sold out. So, I purchased a used copy on Amazon.
While I am once again thrilled with the quality of this cd like all Kritzerland albums I own, I am disappointed that the music from the climax of the movie (when Audrey Hepburn's character races upstairs fearing Shirley MacClaine's character has committed suicide) is missing. In this scene, the main theme is backed with blaring brass leading to a great abrupt finish after Audrey bangs the lock off the door to find Shirley hanging. It's terrific score!
The liner notes make no mention of missing music. I wrote Krizerland inquiring about this over a month ago but received no response. Does anyone have any ideas or information that might explain this missing climax music? Was it not available in the masters? Did other buyers miss this cue upon purchase? I found no mention of it in this thread.

Thanks.


I don't think your e-mail got through - or maybe it went to the dreaded spam folder - we're pretty good about answering e-mails in a timely fashion. As Tone Row says, we only have what we have - in this case it was Mr. North's personal tape stored at AMPAS. I'd have to watch the film again, but as suggested above, the cue might not have been part of the original session, it could have been assembled by the music editor from other cues (this happens a lot) or it simply didn't make Mr. North's tape.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2015 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)



I got your back, Josh!

 
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