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 Posted:   Oct 22, 2016 - 3:34 AM   
 By:   vinylman   (Member)

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Thanks again for your input, Geoff. Among those other unreleased tracks, "Iron Horse" certainly deserved a release as well. It's a very effective, catchy piece that still holds up remarkably well today, unlike many of the other JB7 material. Regarding "The Party's Over", it's ironic that only that minor cue survives and yet the more important main title song doesn't.

Alex





Ditto Geoff. Regards Party's Over, I adore that criminally unreleased Annie Ross title song.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2016 - 4:18 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

The question is what else remains in EMI's vaults from this period. While some tracks seem to be missing (and had to be transferred from 45s), a good wealth of unreleased tracks has survived...

I always thought that "Unchained Melody" was just the backing track for the Johnny De Little vocal - here released for the first time without the vocal...

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2016 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   Geoffers   (Member)

The question is what else remains in EMI's vaults from this period. While some tracks seem to be missing (and had to be transferred from 45s), a good wealth of unreleased tracks has survived...

I always thought that "Unchained Melody" was just the backing track for the Johnny De Little vocal - here released for the first time without the vocal...



The instrumental & vocal tracks were done at the same recording session in November 1962. The instrumental was marked "for LP", and it was quite likely that was in the thoughts of the producer at the time. However, he wasn't to know that JB would leave EMI in 6 months time.

I did ask JB about his recording of Unchained Melody, but he denied it had ever occured!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2016 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   vinylman   (Member)




The instrumental & vocal tracks were done at the same recording session in November 1962. The instrumental was marked "for LP", and it was quite likely that was in the thoughts of the producer at the time. However, he wasn't to know that JB would leave EMI in 6 months time.

I did ask JB about his recording of Unchained Melody, but he denied it had ever occured!




I once asked Alan Haven about Barry's connection with the flip side of Jolly Bad Fellow 45rpm (Jee Bee's) and I had to end up sending him a cdr of the thing to remind him of both tracks as he couldn't remember them at the time, but doubted very much that Barry was involved with the flip side. Hence to say I never did get a reply about it again after sending it to him. Age plays a funny thing with our brains, hope I don't get like that, what is this thread about again?


 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2016 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   Geoffers   (Member)

Thanks again for your input, Geoff. Among those other unreleased tracks, "Iron Horse" certainly deserved a release as well. It's a very effective, catchy piece that still holds up remarkably well today, unlike many of the other JB7 material. Regarding "The Party's Over", it's ironic that only that minor cue survives and yet the more important main title song doesn't.

Alex


My theory about "The Party's Over" cue, which was recorded in November '62 when the film was still in production, is that it was a demo made by JB for the film's producer/director. He may well have intended it as the main theme, but when he got the gig and saw the finished film, he probably had further thoughts. Or Guy Hamilton did!

Vic Flick told me years ago that JB was notorious for booking studio time at EMI ostensibly for recording the JB7/Orchestra, when he was actually doing a demo for a film.

It's a shame about the unavailability of the rest of the score, which wouldn't have been recorded at EMI/Abbey Road, though I've a feeling quite a portion of it was not composed by JB.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2016 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Dupe post

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2016 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)


I once asked Alan Haven about Barry's connection with the flip side of Jolly Bad Fellow 45rpm (Jee Bee's) and I had to end up sending him a cdr of the thing to remind him of both tracks as he couldn't remember them at the time, but doubted very much that Barry was involved with the flip side. Hence to say I never did get a reply about it again after sending it to him. Age plays a funny thing with our brains, hope I don't get like that, what is this thread about again?


Well, gentlemen of a certain age do tend to suffer three problems...

1. Failing memory

2. Loss of hair

3. Failing memory

big grin

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2016 - 2:09 AM   
 By:   vinylman   (Member)



Well, gentlemen of a certain age do tend to suffer three problems...

1. Failing memory

2. Loss of hair

3. Failing memory

big grin

Cheers



Oh I haven't lost any of my hair Stephen, its just changed course of direction through 4 alternate vents, there is a 5th but I can't remember where it is.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2016 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)


It's a shame about the unavailability of the rest of the score, which wouldn't have been recorded at EMI/Abbey Road, though I've a feeling quite a portion of it was not composed by JB.


Why do you feel that, Geoff?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2016 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)


Why do you feel that, Geoff?


I am wondering the exact same thing.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2016 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   Geoffers   (Member)


It's a shame about the unavailability of the rest of the score, which wouldn't have been recorded at EMI/Abbey Road, though I've a feeling quite a portion of it was not composed by JB.


Why do you feel that, Geoff?


Somebody told me some time ago that the jazzy party music was written by Tony Kinsey & Stanley Myers, and I don't think the song performed by Ann Lynn in the club was by John, either. It just doesn't sound like his style.

Of course I could be wrong -- it's been known. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2016 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)


Somebody told me some time ago that the jazzy party music was written by Tony Kinsey & Stanley Myers, and I don't think the song performed by Ann Lynn in the club was by John, either. It just doesn't sound like his style.

Of course I could be wrong -- it's been known. smile


Interesting! I'll have to check the film again and listen carefully. It would be odd, though, if Kinsey and Myers didn't get screen credit for their contributions (unless their music can be barely heard in the final mix).

Alex

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2016 - 3:55 AM   
 By:   Geoffers   (Member)


Somebody told me some time ago that the jazzy party music was written by Tony Kinsey & Stanley Myers, and I don't think the song performed by Ann Lynn in the club was by John, either. It just doesn't sound like his style.

Of course I could be wrong -- it's been known. smile


Interesting! I'll have to check the film again and listen carefully. It would be odd, though, if Kinsey and Myers didn't get screen credit for their contributions (unless their music can be barely heard in the final mix).

Alex


I agree. Unless, of course, their music used was library music. I believe they did write some, though I don't know when.

 
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