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This is a comments thread about Blog Post: Five Thoughts About FSM's Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan by Neil Shurley
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   babbelballetje   (Member)

I don't have Star Trek 2, but I did buy Eye of the devil, hope that's ok thensmile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I own it and listen to it on occasion, though I visit the Goldsmith scores more often. Being of the TNG/DS9 generation, I don't have the nostalgic relationship with this score and movie, although I do think it ranks as one of the better scores/movies of the original crew. And in regards to FSM's release, it's amazing from start to finish, especially the climactic material left of from the original album.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   David-R.   (Member)

I own it and listen to it on occasion, though I visit the Goldsmith scores more often. Being of the TNG/DS9 generation, I don't have the nostalgic relationship with this score and movie, although I do think it ranks as one of the better scores/movies of the original crew. And in regards to FSM's release, it's amazing from start to finish, especially the climactic material left of from the original album.

Yeah, me too (about being in the TNG/DS9 generation), even though I never watched any sort of Star Trek until our parents introduced it to us a few years ago! This release is amazing and is one I love to listen to, along w/ Giacchino's and all of Goldsmith's.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   Pete Apruzzese   (Member)

I'd buy it if I liked the music. I don't, so I won't.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

In 2010...

I'm sure I wasn't the only one who, when La-La Land announced the Paramount deal, thought, "Ohmigodstartrekexpandedscores!" smile

Having said that, I was one of the posters who was sure that the big FSM Comic-Con release was going to be Gremlins. But we were proven wrong when, on one Monday morning, Lukas announced the complete TWOK score. It certainly made my day a little brighter and I recall writing something on the board to the effect of, "I had no idea they'd get access to the Nerd Holy Grail section of the Paramount vault so fast!"

I can't say TWOK was my #1 Star Trek holy grail (that would be III and V) but it's a splendid album, every part of it, from the artwork to the sound quality to the alternate Bob Peak posters. Even more than the final battle music, I was happy to finally have the "Kirk in Space Shuttle" cue.

I'm proud to own this album and I'm happy to know it was SAE's busiest day ever (from what we were told on the board). I'm sure the music exec at Paramount was pleased to hear that.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

This is definately one of my favorite Star Trek scores, and one of my top scores period.

The movie is also up there, and the FSM release makes my old GNP CD a waste of shelf space.

However, the GNP album was still an excellent presentation of the score in terms of cue selection and sequencing.

Looking forward to the rumored Star Trek III release.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

I was in San Diego during Comic-Con last year and when I read the announcement on my iPod about Star Trek II, it was a no-brainer. As soon as the show opened, I made a bee-line to the Screen Archives booth and plunked down my money.

I'll be there for 2010 and I'm keeping my finger crossed that we get surprised once again.

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

for me, it didn't add enough crucial material to merit an upgrade from my GNP
(no, i DONT need "Amazing grace" on bagpipes to feel fullfilled. LOL!).

really good score though
check it out!

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I was in San Diego during Comic-Con last year and when I read the announcement on my iPod about Star Trek II, it was a no-brainer. As soon as the show opened, I made a bee-line to the Screen Archives booth and plunked down my money.

I'll be there for 2010 and I'm keeping my finger crossed that we get surprised once again.

Greg Espinoza


Greg is a real 'con man'
smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 4:11 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Idiot? Cheapass? Fossil? Weasel? Those are pretty harsh words, and I am none of them. big grin I have said it before, but here goes again. No matter what I think of Horner as a composer, THIS is a great score. It's got to be my favorite of his, because I have so few, mostly earlier scores- say, up to about 1985- no, I'll be generous. Up to 1991.

And I do find myself listening to it a lot.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2010 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   waxmanman35   (Member)

So I guess "idiots" would include all those people who aren't limited by 5 minute musical attention spans?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2010 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Taylor Fenno   (Member)

Been meaning to buy it and after being called an idiot I did.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2010 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

I don't want to be an idiot :/

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2010 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   The CinemaScope Cat   (Member)

"If you have not purchased the FSM cd, you're an idiot."

Thank you. I'm an idiot then. Hated the film, hated the score. Why would I purchase it?

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2010 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Urs Lesse   (Member)

If the blog post was meant to deter people from buying it, then it will probably serve its purpose.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2010 - 6:58 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

I'm an idiot, yes sir-ee
I wanna live to see Star Trek III
plugged for sale by FSM & Shurley
'cause I'm an idiot

I'm no Trek hater, no sir-ee
I watched the original series
on UHF reruns on TV
'cause I'm a Doctor, Jim, not a fool!

I'm a Horner basher, yes sir-ee
I wanna live to be Horner-free
I play no Horner to be safe for you and me
'cause I'm no fool

I'm no C&C crowd, no sir-ee
2's company; crowd = 3
I play 35 minute albums for me
'cause I'm no crowd

I'm a fossil, yes sir-ee
I wanna keep every LP!
I'll play LPs for you and me
'cause I'm a fossil

I'm no cheapass weasel, no sir-ee
stores like SAE & Intrada have my money
I pay dearly for the music of Piccioni
'cause I'm no cheapass weasel…

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2010 - 7:09 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

I'm an idiot, yes sir-ee
I wanna live to see Star Trek III
plugged for sale by FSM & Shurley
'cause I'm an idiot

I'm no Trek hater, no sir-ee
I watched the original series
on UHF reruns on TV
'cause I'm a Doctor, Jim, not a fool!

I'm a Horner basher, yes sir-ee
I wanna live to be Horner-free
I play no Horner to be safe for you and me
'cause I'm no fool

I'm no C&C crowd, no sir-ee
2's company; crowd = 3
I play 35 minute albums for me
'cause I'm no crowd

I'm a fossil, yes sir-ee
I wanna keep every LP!
I'll play LPs for you and me
'cause I'm a fossil

I'm no cheapass weasel, no sir-ee
stores like SAE & Intrada have my money
I pay dearly for the music of Piccioni
'cause I'm no cheapass weasel…


Now how can we get this FINE lyric backed to music?

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2010 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

I own this soundtrack and am very pleased with it. However, that Spock monologue at the end was just a damper and a half. It should not have been there. I wanted the music and just the music! If I want to experience the aww inspiring fact that Leonard Nimoy gives the Star Trek monologue for the first time, I'll watch the movie where it should be. Sure it was on the previous soundtrack, but here was the perfect opportunity to do something different. Those who owned the previous soundtrack would have two different versions of the track while those who did not have the soundtrack wouldn't have missed a thing. And even if they did, they could still track down the old soundtrack. Even the soundtrack for Star Trek 2009 didn't have Leonard Nimoy's ending monologue, and that is pretty much his last contribution to Star Trek right there.

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2010 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

I own this soundtrack and am very pleased with it. However, that Spock monologue at the end was just a damper and a half. It should not have been there. I wanted the music and just the music! If I want to experience the aww inspiring fact that Leonard Nimoy gives the Star Trek monologue for the first time, I'll watch the movie where it should be. Sure it was on the previous soundtrack, but here was the perfect opportunity to do something different. Those who owned the previous soundtrack would have two different versions of the track while those who did not have the soundtrack wouldn't have missed a thing. And even if they did, they could still track down the old soundtrack. Even the soundtrack for Star Trek 2009 didn't have Leonard Nimoy's ending monologue, and that is pretty much his last contribution to Star Trek right there.

I respectfully disagree. While I'd love to have this cue without Spock's narration, the soundtrack for The Wrath Of Khan is supposed to be a definitive, final word on the presentation of the score on CD.

If we took out the narration, you and I might be very happy, but a lot of fans of both the original soundtrack and the movie are likely to ask what happened to the narration.

If I recall, there was something posted noting that they thought about removing it, but decided to keep it for consistency, and we effectively have a version of the Epilogue and End Credits without Nimoy's voice with track 23, the Alternate version.

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2010 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I agree with One Buck. The last cue on the disc gives you a very nice alternate, and it sounds much better than what an instrumental cut of the final version would have.

It's the best of both worlds.

 
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