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 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 12:53 AM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Are there any scores of "The Twilight Zone" that were never released on C.D. (the ones that were actually backup recordings), but WERE available as isolated scores on the D.V.D.s?

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 12:58 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Are there any scores of "The Twilight Zone" that were never released on C.D. (the ones that were actually backup recordings), but WERE available as isolated scores on the D.V.D.s?

There are many of them as isolated bonus tracks on the DVDs!
Are you looking for ALL of the composers? Or just Herrmann and Goldsmith?

For some reason, "Time Enough At Last", by Leith Stevens, exists neither on the soundtrack ablums nor as an isolated score track within the Image Entertainment DVD packages.
But Jerry Goldsmith's "The Four Of Us Are Dying" and "Nightmare As A Child" are preserved as DVD bonus tracks, as is Nathan Van Cleave's "What You Need", Lucien Moraweck's "The Purple Testament", Rene Garriguenc's "The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street", and Lyn Murray's "A Passage For Trumpet".
Ironically, some of the episodes which had no music written for them have an isolated score bonus track on these DVDs, which consists of library stock music usage.

And all these above are only from the 1st season...
...there's much more isolated DVD tracks throughout the subsequent seasons' packaging.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   tranzishun   (Member)

The 4 disc set from Silva is great but there is indeed a lot of music left out.

maybe we can get another set released in the future.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

Yeah, I have the Silva set and the DVD box sets - until something else is released, I'm pretty happy with what I have.

There is some really great, classic Television music among this material...:-)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 4:11 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Are there any scores of "The Twilight Zone" that were never released on C.D. (the ones that were actually backup recordings), but WERE available as isolated scores on the D.V.D.s?

There are many of them as isolated bonus tracks on the DVDs!
Are you looking for ALL of the composers? Or just Herrmann and Goldsmith?

For some reason, "Time Enough At Last", by Leith Stevens, exists neither on the soundtrack ablums nor as an isolated score track within the Image Entertainment DVD packages.
But Jerry Goldsmith's "The Four Of Us Are Dying" and "Nightmare As A Child" are preserved as DVD bonus tracks, as is Nathan Van Cleave's "What You Need", Lucien Moraweck's "The Purple Testament", Rene Garriguenc's "The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street", and Lyn Murray's "A Passage For Trumpet".
Ironically, some of the episodes which had no music written for them have an isolated score bonus track on these DVDs, which consists of library stock music usage.

And all these above are only from the 1st season...
...there's much more isolated DVD tracks throughout the subsequent seasons' packaging.


"Nightmare As A Child" was the only Goldsmith score that was not on the C.D.s.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

"Nightmare As A Child" was the only Goldsmith score that was not on the C.D.s.

Nope. "The Four of Us Are Dying" was not on the CDs, either.

In fact, none of the recordings on the CDs are the same as those found on the DVDs' isolated scores. The CDs consist of (very good) rerecordings done after the season was over. The musicians' rules at the time allowed previously recorded music to be used as library cues only for the season for which they were initially recorded. To be used in subsequent seasons, the music had to be recorded again. This is why no season 5 scores appear on the "Twilight Zone" CDs, as that was the show's last season. No need to rerecord anything for season 6!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

"Nightmare As A Child" was the only Goldsmith score that was not on the C.D.s.

Nope. "The Four of Us Are Dying" was not on the CDs, either.

In fact, none of the recordings on the CDs are the same as those found on the DVDs' isolated scores. The CDs consist of (very good) rerecordings done after the season was over. The musicians' rules at the time allowed previously recorded music to be used as library cues only for the season for which they were initially recorded. To be used in subsequent seasons, the music had to be recorded again. This is why no season 5 scores appear on the "Twilight Zone" CDs, as that was the show's last season. No need to rerecord anything for season 6!


However, the Jazz Theme, a piece that Goldsmith composed for the library was tracked in the score, first heard when Ace Hammer's face changes while he's shaving.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2010 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   i86time   (Member)

"Nightmare As A Child" was the only Goldsmith score that was not on the C.D.s.

Nope. "The Four of Us Are Dying" was not on the CDs, either.

In fact, none of the recordings on the CDs are the same as those found on the DVDs' isolated scores. The CDs consist of (very good) rerecordings done after the season was over. The musicians' rules at the time allowed previously recorded music to be used as library cues only for the season for which they were initially recorded. To be used in subsequent seasons, the music had to be recorded again. This is why no season 5 scores appear on the "Twilight Zone" CDs, as that was the show's last season. No need to rerecord anything for season 6!


So, to clarify, the reason those original recordings couldn't be released on LP/MC/CD is for similar reasons to their use in other seasons (you did not specifically state this)? Once re-recorded, the music could then be used in any other show/movie/music release? I take it the 'Outer Space Suite' is the original recording though, correct?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2010 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

As I type, I am listening to Fred Steiner's great and underrated music for Miniature, specifically underscoring the moments when the villain enters the parlor to sweep the young matron away. Really appreciate these isolated scores.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2010 - 6:28 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

As I type, I am listening to Fred Steiner's great and underrated music for Miniature, specifically underscoring the moments when the villain enters the parlor to sweep the young matron away. Really appreciate these isolated scores.

Steiner's work on that show was phenomenal. MUTE is so good, I watch it and marvel that scores like that for television were just taken for granted back then.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2010 - 6:55 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Pick it up at the 8:10 mark & go with it!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2011 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

Really appreciate these isolated scores.

Dear Sir and gentle(wo)men of the pool,

Would it be possible for any of you to check in Season 3 the following episodes (of the DVD box set, I'm not talking about the Blu-Ray release) :

FIVE CHARACTERS IN SEARCH OF AN EXIT since I don't get/can't find the isolated score (as stated on the folio) : instead of the isolated score there are...2 audio commentaries !

A QUALITY OF MERCY : no isolated score (the folio states "isolated score")

CAVENDER IS COMING : no isolated score (once again, the folio states "isolated score")

I just wonder if it's not a typing mistake and, as a matter of fact, if BY ANY CHANCE, those "isolated scores" refer to other episodes of the third season...which are not listed in the folio as having an "isolated score" (I hope you follow me...).

No rush for answering : I've got plenty of gems meanwhile ! I began to rip the audio tracks from season 04 and my favourite so far are : MUTE, MINIATURE and PASSAGE ON THE LADY ANNE.

But I will change my mind in five minutes, so...

Many thanks for all !

Angel

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2011 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

The Bluray are suppose to include more isolated music.
Aside from it's main theme, the Perry Mason series seems to have relied heavily on the Twilight Zone cues. They definitely became library cues.

Angel, you're are correct. The info on the dvd inserts (and promoted elsewhere) is incorrect.
Suppose to have isolated scores but dont:
Quality of Mercy, and Five Characters (disc 2), and Cavender (disc 5)

However, on the earlier individual releases, Volume 40 "Cavender is Coming" is suppose to have the isolated score. That could be misinformation, too.

Have you discovered any other scores missing from the dvds?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2011 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

Have you discovered any other scores missing from the dvds?

Not yet. But since I have ripped isolated score from season 3, 4 and 5 only, I will be able to tell you about season 1 and 2 on wednesday or thursday.

I keep you posted and...thank you for having checked : I thought I might have a problem with those DVD's !

Cheers !

Angel

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2011 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

Have you discovered any other scores missing from the dvds?

Well, since I couldn't sleep I checked and ripped the following isolated scores from season 1 and 2 and the problem is... I get TWICE DVD 5 of season 1 and NO DVD 4 !!!

This is quite upsetting since A World of Difference is one of my top 10 favourite episodes and it says "isolated score" and, worse, Nightmare as a child contains an isolated Goldsmith's score you can't find on the 40th Anniversary CD set !!!

So, yes the other isolated scores on season 1 and 2 are "there", as stated. None is missing BUT I can't tell regarding the fourth DVD... I sent an e-mail to Image Entertainment and hope they will accept to send me a genuine DVD 4... but I'm not sure of this : they might think I broke it and I want it to be replaced !

Anyway, sorry for those who consider this should be on the Non-Film Score Discussion but since this thread was "on" and I began to answer on it, I thought it would be logical to end it on it...

Sincerely,

Angel

PS : Incidentally, if you know by any chance the number of the previous two DVD's - individual release - where I can find both episodes I'm talking about I really could use the info ! Just in case Image Entertainment turns me down...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2011 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

If you got a duplicate dvd by mistake, they should honor replacing it for the correct dvd. I can check my dvds to make sure those scores are on the missing disc.
This is a list of the individual dvds which had isolated scores (as "easter eggs"). The episodes were not released in chronological order. I dont know where you live, but you can find them on Amazon. com, and possibly as rentals or at public libraries.
One score you want appears to be on Vol. 32.

Volume 28:
“Mute” - Isolated Musical Score

Volume 29:
“A Nice Place to Visit” - Isolated Musical Score
“A Penny for Your Thoughts” - Isolated Musical Score
“Little Girl Lost” - Isolated Musical Score

Volume 30:
“Jess-Belle” - Isolated Musical Score
“Sounds and Silences” - Isolated Musical Score
“Caesar and Me”

Volume 31:
“Miniature” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“Stopover in a Quiet Town” - Isolated Musical Score

Volume 32:
“Nightmare as a Child” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“Person or Persons Unknown” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“Printer’s Devil” - Isolated Musical Score

Volume 33:
“The Little People” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“No Time Like the Past” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“The Encounter” - Isolated Musical Score

Volume 34:
“A Stop at Willoughby” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“Twenty-Two” - Isolated Musical Score
“I Dream of Genie” - Isolated Musical Score

Volume 35:
“Static” - Isolated Musical Score
“Four O’Clock” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“The Parallel” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;

Volume 36:
“The Chaser” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Kleenex Bumpers; Rod Serling Preview; “Wanted Dead or Alive” Bumper
“The Rip Van Winkle Caper” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Oasis Bumpers; “Gunsmoke” Bumper
“The New Exhibit” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Studebaker/Pepsi-Cola/Franklin Peanuts Bumper; Generic Bumper; L&M/Johnson & Johnson Bumper

Volume 37:
“Hocus-Pocus and Frisby” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Rey’s Lather Bumper; Rod Serling Preview; Pepsi-Cola Bumper
“Of Late I Think of Cliffordsville” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Rambler/Johnson & Johnson Preview; 2 Generic Bumpers; Pepsi-Cola/Johnson & Johnson Bumper
“Mr. Garrity and the Graves” - 2 Pall Mall Bumpers; Rod Serling Preview

Volume 39:
“Mr. Bevis” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Kleenex Bumpers; “Wanted Dead or Alive” Bumper
“The Silence” - 2 Oasis Bumpers; Rod Serling Preview & Oasis Plug; “Gunsmoke” Bumper
“On Thursday We Leave for Home” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Pepsi-Cola Bumper; 2 Generic Bumpers; L&M/Johnson & Johnson Bumper

Volume 40:
“Cavender is Coming” - Isolated Musical Score
“Passage on the Lady Anne” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Pretty Curl/Johnson & Johnson Bumper; 2 Generic Bumpers; Johnson & Johnson/Metri-Cal/Chesterfield Bumper

Volume 41:
“The Mighty Casey” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Kleenex Bumpers; “Wanted Dead or Alive” Bumper
“Will the Real Martian Please Stand Up?” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Colgate Bumper; Bio-Root Bumper; “The Ed Sullivan Show” Bumper Narrated by Sullivan
“The Changing of the Guard” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Bufferin Bumper; Arrid Bumper; “The Promise of America” Booklet Bumper
“Come Wander with Me” - Isolated Musical Score

Volume 42:
“The Bard” - Isolated Musical Score
“The Bewitchin’ Pool” - Isolated Musical Score

Volume 43:
“The Private World of Darkness” aka Eye of Beholder- (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Aroma-Roast Sanka Bumpers; Generic Bumper; Rod Serling Preview (for “Nick of Time”); “The Andy Griffith Show” Bumper
“A World of His Own” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Kleenex Bumpers; “Wanted Dead or Alive” Bumper
“A Thing About Machines” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Aroma-Roast Sanka Bumpers; Political Party Bumper

Example on how to access isolated scores.
For "World of his own," highlight the review star for “A World of His Own,” and press right to highlight the first star (the isolated score egg). Press right for the second star (the bumper egg).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2011 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

Wow ! That's impressive !

Thank you VERY MUCH for the great deal of info !!! I really DO appreciate. I live in France and I usually find sellers from USA who accept to send packages to Europe. So, with a little bit of luck, I will be able to find the two DVD's with both episodes from season1 I'm looking for at reasonable price.

Thank you again for all,

Sincerely,

Angel

PS : regarding isolated score I usually prefer to rip it using a DVD audio extractor rather than listening to it "live" (because there's too much silence between bars...), but since easter eggs are often difficult to find thank you : this will help me to make sure at once !

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2011 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

regarding isolated score I usually prefer to rip it using a DVD audio extractor rather than listening to it "live" (because there's too much silence between bars...), but since easter eggs are often difficult to find thank you : this will help me to make sure at once !

If you're just looking for the music (until you hopefully get a replacement dvd), I could help.

 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2011 - 11:45 PM   
 By:   Carcosa   (Member)

The blu-ray sets are superior even to the terrific "definitive" DVD sets in that Image has included additional extras, and isolated soundtracks for ALL the episodes for season 1, 22 of 27 for season two and all 37 of season 3....

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 12:22 AM   
 By:   Stephen Pickard   (Member)

I transferred the audio, which was taken from original 35mm fullcoat 3-track mono and half-inch 3-track, for the definitive DVD and Blu-Ray release. The music was separate along with the efx and dialog and this is how we were able to do isolated scores. Unfortunately, this wasn't possible on "Time Enough At Last" (and "Howling Man" plus several in Season 5) as there were only mono optical tracks available, where the music is 'married' to the efx and dialog.

 
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