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 Posted:   Sep 5, 2011 - 8:57 PM   
 By:   Smaug   (Member)

Korngold-the themes from Juarez and the prince and the pauper ending up in his violin concerto

Elfman-Serenada Schizophrana in Standard Operating Procedure

Kamen - new moon symphony ends up in Band of Brothers

Herrmann- sinfonietta ending up in psycho; ambersons and mrs. Muir ending up in Wuthering Heights, wuthering heights ending up in taxi driver

Nyman-too much, but notably Gattaca in his Goya opera

Corigliano- altered states ends up in his first symphony

Glass- Truman Show ends up in his first piano concerto, powaqqatsi ends up in his seventh symphony.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2011 - 10:11 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Korngold-the themes from Juarez and the prince and the pauper ending up in his violin concerto




Korngold used more themes than that. See his other symphonies and hear material from 'Captain Blood' and 'Elizabeth and Essex', and of course 'Sursum Corda' and Robin Hood.

Only a matter of time before someone mentions Miklos Rozsa violin concerto and the 'Private Life of Sherlock Holmes'.

Jerome Moross and his chamber music.

It shouldn't matter really. As long as it's their own material.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

There is NO SUCH THING as "self-plagiarism".

Plagiarism is passing off the work of someone else as one's own.

Using your own music -- music that you wrote and that you OWN authorship of -- is yours to do with as you please.

Getting all het up over Korngold using his film themes in his concert works is inconsequential histrionics.

Get over it.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 9:07 PM   
 By:   The Beach Bum   (Member)


Corigliano- altered states ends up in his first symphony


There's a bit of his clarinet concerto in Altered States, and a bit of Altered States in the Pied Piper Fantasy, but I hear nothing of that score in the First Symphony. The symphony does however make use of the entire battle cue from Revolution.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2013 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

There is NO SUCH THING as "self-plagiarism".

Plagiarism is passing off the work of someone else as one's own.

Using your own music -- music that you wrote and that you OWN authorship of -- is yours to do with as you please.

Getting all het up over Korngold using his film themes in his concert works is inconsequential histrionics.

Get over it.


EXACTLY.

And often the material from movie scores is expanded upon and re-worked for concert pieces in a way that allows creativity and development that can't be done in scores because of the timing to picture issues.

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 4:49 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

THERE IS no such thing as "self-plagiarism".

Plagiarism is passing off the work of someone else as one's own.

Using your own music -- music that you wrote and that YOU own authorship of -- is yours to do with as you please.

Getting all het up over Korngold using his film themes in his concert works is inconsequential histrionics.

Get over it.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 4:57 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

THERE IS no such thing as "self-plagiarism".

Plagiarism is passing off the work of someone else as one's own.



Ron and Jeh - I'm very glad to see you both making this point. I remember saying the same thing a year or three ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 5:02 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


Ron and Jeh - I'm very glad to see you both making this point. I remember saying the same thing a year or three ago.



Good God, it was nine years ago!

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=20376&forumID=1&archive=1

And just as true then as it is now big grin

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 5:03 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

Please note that this thread is two years old. Nobody cared for it in the first place, and it should have stayed that way.

Obviously, the OP doesn't have the first idea about the difference between self-plagiarism and stylistic integrity.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 5:09 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


Obviously, the OP doesn't have the first idea about the difference between self-plagiarism and stylistic integrity.



The main difference being that the former doesn't exist.

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Even though no one cares about this thread, it was fun-ish (?) to hear some of Goldenthal's Batman Forever in his Vietnam Oratorio, Fire Water Paper (released after Batman, written beforehand).

 
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