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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5      General Discussion: Any interest in aesthetic discussions these days?     1 2 3    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 4:30 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) This is like a poll topic. It's not really meant as a criticism, it's more a curiousity. I glance over the first page of the board and see 90% announcement threads and similar fare. It's been like that for a few years now. I used to post threads about more general aesthetic concerns, but the last 10-15 or so I did spawned very few replies, so I gave up. So I wonder....is there any interest left in discussing the qualities of film music, how the music works in the film more generally and so on? You know, the 'artform' side? Raise your hand if you have.    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 5:15 AM     By:   ToneRow   (Member) I am. Just as with you, Thor, a number of my posts accumulate zero responses, such as my topic of black-and-white films directed by John Frankenheimer or this one I've pasted below ... the music of Roberto Nicolosi on disc thus far... http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=89583&forumID=1&archive=0 It seems people only wish to comment on subjects with which they are already familiar. When topics address "obscure" items, it's rare for a member to come forth and say "I know nothing about this" or "thanks" for the article. Then there are members who have no inclination to read anything greater than 2 sentences.    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 5:17 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) I understand your frustration, ToneRow, although I would separate between topics that aren't discussed because of the film's or composer's obscurity and more general aesthetic topics to which most people have a relationship in one form or another. I remember we had a good chat going awhile back about the aesthetics of Antonioni films (one of our favourite directors).    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 5:28 AM     By:   ToneRow   (Member) Yes, those types of in-depth discussions are good to have. Later today or tomorrow, I'll attempt to post a topic or two which, with hope, can invite members to describe their listening/viewing experiences.    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 7:06 AM     By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member) I used to love FSM forum but I am so f***ing bored of it now. Top ten this, what's the best that, what's the worst that, what was your first this, what was your last that, I just want to declare my undying love for Jerry Goldsmith, etc. Oh, and the lengthy flame wars about who is right and who is wrong. This is why I've decided to stop being a player and just watch for interesting announcements from now on. Cheers    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 7:21 AM     By:   ScottDS   (Member) I only speak for myself when I say that, despite my love of film music, I know next to nothing about how it's written, performed, or produced... which means my ability to converse intelligently on the subject is nil at best. I try to learn what I can from this board and the wonderful liner notes that accompany most of these releases but sometimes I just hit a wall. If this forum ever gets an upgrade, perhaps this section can be split in two. Take the Home Theater Forum for example: there's an area for DVD, an area for Blu-Ray, and an area for general discussion about movies. This forum could have an area for album announcements and a separate area just for music discussion, though I imagine there'd be too much overlap.    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 7:56 AM     By:   lexedo   (Member) There still hasn't been one response in the "Bananas" thread where I identified the great Bucky Pizzarelli as one of the studio guitarists on that same Hamlisch film score. Almost shocking, tbh. Only one response in the thread on Scott Bradley and Arnold Schoenberg, even though there was a pretty intense 12-tone discussion. They're collecting titles fellas...    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 8:09 AM     By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member) "ORDERED!!" "Another grail off my list" "I ordered my Varese CD Club titles two minutes ago and they haven't arrived yet!!. Should I call the police?"    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 8:09 AM     By:   TerraEpon   (Member) I'm always interested in talk about the inner workings of music, I just have a hard time expressing myself at times and contributing (in general in forums I so very often start to make posts and then just don't finish and post them...) Obviously there are a lot of "ok this is great what next" posts and I understandably it can be frustrating. I certainly think even just talk about "I love that moment where the flute comes in" or "the way the main theme intertwines with the love theme in the climax is wonderful" types posts should probably be more prominent (which I believe is what you're getting at) but people will talk about what they want, and really you can't blame anyone else for not doing what you want... Though I for would love to see a reduction in "only x posts about this great score???" type posts...    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 8:19 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) but people will talk about what they want, and really you can't blame anyone else for not doing what you want.... I'm not blaming anyone for anything. It's just interesting to me how the climate for discussion has changed over the last 5-6 years, and I wonder if there are still any 'old school film music debaters' like myself hanging around and wanting to see more of that. Or if it's basically just a lost thing. I've always felt that you dont' really have to be a musical scholar or whatever to talk about how a piece of music works in a scene, or even how the music relates to your feelings. We all have adjectives, and that's all it takes. But I have the feeling that many set the bar too high in that regard.    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 8:49 AM     By:   ScottDS   (Member) A couple other thoughts... Many of us got into film music via our love of various geeky things (Star Trek, Star Wars, etc.) so invariably, those topics will get much more attention. (Along with topics related to Goldsmith, Williams, Horner, etc.) And speaking as one of the resident 80s kids (I turn 30 in January), I just don't have much to say about most pre-60s movie scores. Don't get me wrong... I went to film school and mine is the last generation that might actually appreciate older films - I'm looking forward to picking up the Lawrence of Arabia Blu-Ray set one of these days! - but when it comes to the Golden Age composers, I simply don't have the knowledge. But I'm learning, slowly but surely.    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 9:39 AM     By:   The Beach Bum   (Member) One of the main problems is there is so little new film music worth discussing. What is there to say about a score from a Christopher Nolan or Zack Snyder movie? "I love its lack of melody and the repetitive use of drum loops"?    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 10:27 AM     By:   Mr Drive   (Member) "I love its lack of melody and the repetitive use of drum loops"? If that's how you feel Seriously though, I think there is still enough worthy film music, old and new, to discuss. And I miss that kind of discussion, too. I'm an infrequent contributor myself but I love reading it. Hope I can contribute some more in the future.    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 10:35 AM     By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member) "ORDERED!!" "Another grail off my list" "I ordered my Varese CD Club titles two minutes ago and they haven't arrived yet!!. Should I call the police?" "What's your favourite score for listening to on the toilet?" "Top Ten Scores Going Through Your Head in the Dentist's Chair?" "What's the Next Release from Tribusilvadigikritzerada?"    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 10:39 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) Shouldn't be a surprise. Once something becomes popular it becomes mainstream and less academic. (Referring to FSM as the go to place for film music discussion) I have no musical background so it would be hard for me to accurately express the nuances of a particular piece of music.    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 11:21 AM     By:   Grecchus   (Member) This is a pretty unique place to be. Imagine if the board wasn't here? Best not to take it for granted. I've been amazed at the open space left whenever I've made a post against something for which I'd have expected massive reflection. There was a comment about the start of David And Bathsheba which could have engendered some argument. It was about whether or not part of the orchestra deliberately came in late on the second opening statement in the main title. The liner notes left alot to be answered but all that came back was: zip. Nada. But, sir, your question has been responded to. So this is still the place to be.    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 11:30 AM     By:   Chris Avis   (Member) I'm definitely interested in CONSTRUCTIVE aesthetic discussion. Unfortunately, many such discussions devolve into highly polarized conversations. Look at the Skyfall discussion for example which has essentially been split into two camps of people that love the score and those that think it's awful with many posts being along the lines of "I can't believe you think this score is great/awful". The board as a whole seems less tolerant of differing opinions these days. Part of the problem, as Thor points out, is that broader discussions get displaced and hidden amidst release announcements and quickly buried. Here's an idea: what if a new message board category was created and what is now "General Discussion" was split into a Release Announcements/Speculation and General Discussion? This might naturally separate out posters by interest. Cheers, Chris Edit: I see ScottDS beat me to it on the separate board discussion.    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 12:02 PM     By:   Rollin Hand   (Member) I'm definitely interested in CONSTRUCTIVE aesthetic discussion. Unfortunately, many such discussions devolve into highly polarized conversations. Look at the Skyfall discussion for example which has essentially been split into two camps of people that love the score and those that think it's awful with many posts being along the lines of "I can't believe you think this score is great/awful". The board as a whole seems less tolerant of differing opinions these days. Part of the problem, as Thor points out, is that broader discussions get displaced and hidden amidst release announcements and quickly buried. Here's an idea: what if a new message board category was created and what is now "General Discussion" was split into a Release Announcements/Speculation and General Discussion? This might naturally separate out posters by interest. Good idea. It was once asked the moderator to divide in many sections not only the General Discussion but also the Non-Film Score Discussion. In short, to separate the commerce from the logos. But you can be sure that the dark side of film music (commerce) will gain more discussions. The majority of the new members are junkies: they want their fix on the spot. A real and serious General Discussion section is now reduced to the level of Tom More's "The Utopia". Let's try the everlasting topic for starters: Original recording versus Re-recording? Who wants to elaborate?    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 1:14 PM     By:   Morricone   (Member) My review of LINCOLN had a lot to do with the use of music. Since pure theory always needs examples I never see this as an either/or situation. Indeed the scores that excite me most are the ones that use music in unusual ways, which are rare. THE MASTER is one, and for Williams LINCOLN has a subtle touch which these days IS different for him. Which reminds me at the recent screening of THE BIRDS I really noticed the sound design and Herrmann's great arrangement of that children's song. This WAS an unusual use of "music" and the quality it brought to the whole endeavor.    Posted:   Nov 17, 2012 - 1:26 PM     By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member) I'm not sure what I can really contribute, but obviously it's all about the music for me. I love looking into what works, what doesn't, and why with scores. And it's extremely subjective. I've also observed, and chimed in, on various threads with Thor about the merits of Album vs. Complete presentation (There's a need and a place for both, depends on score as to which works better). I've seen much discussion about the sound quality issues, the loudness war, too much vs. too little reverb for elements in Mono recordings, funky editing and crossfading decisions with album masters etc. These things are discussed here, often. But I agree, the new release speculation / announcement threads are somewhat overwhelming these discussions. In a general sense though, I'm spending most of my time listening to the music rather than discussing it. Enjoying the treasures we are all lucky to possess.     General Discussion: Any interest in aesthetic discussions these days?    < 1 2 3  > >>  Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5

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