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Horrible! Stick to the legally released album which offers the same material, only better and without sound effects.
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Happy to avoid.
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Harkit Is Bootleg!!!!!
Once again that really depends on where you are standing at any given moment.
In you are standing on the soil of say the UK, it's legal release.
If you are standing on US SOIL, it's not.
As others have already pointed out, this release (and god knows how many others) and in the Public Domain after 50 years in Europe and related markets such as CANADA.
So it's very hard to BOOTLEG something that is in the Public Domain in a good part of the world.
Now that is just a cold fact of life.
I'm not defending it, but at least let be clear about what we are discussing.
At worst it's a "Unauthorized Release" that is available in Europe.
This album is still in copyright in the USA and related markets.
However, importing it for sale isn't really against the law.
Which is why it will be on AMAZON and such very shortly.
The graphics appear not use anything from the film proper, so that isn't something that can be made an issue of at this late date.
I would love an official release with more music (and the god damn Organ overlay on the Main Title in the film itself), Perhaps someday EMI will deem it worth doing.
But for the moment that doesn't appear to be happening.
So my best advice is Vote with your pocket book and not buy it if you don't wish to.
That would seem the best course of action.
Ford A. Thaxton
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All,
Unless my understanding of the so-called "50 year rule" is correct (and I admit it may not be), FRWL is not public domain until Jan 1, 2014.
That aside, my 'objection' to this album is more this:
I do not believe Harkit would have been given access to the album master tapes. So, presumably they have just taken a digital copy of the remaster prepared in 2003 and added to it by ripping music and effects off the DVD.
(1) I could do that myself.
(2) If my assumption is correct, have they credited the people who prepared that 2003 remaster? And if my assumption is incorrect, what's their source? Like I said, I really don't believe they would have been given access to any tapes.
Also, if they have included a Concert JB track or a Nic Raine track — sorry but they are definitely NOT public domain. I can only presume they've properly licensed it. Is that presumption solid? (I can't access the samples where I am.)
Look, I'm not a prig. Part of me thinks: they're supplying something people want and if nobody official can be bothered with objecting, it's not my job to object on their behalf. Yep, I get that argument and have 'some' sympathy for it.
But at the same time, the Harkit brand doesn't exactly communicate quality or integrity to me. And, like I said, I can take the 2003 release and add tracks from the film.
Cheers
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Harkit Is Bootleg!!!!!
I'm not defending it, but at least let be clear about what we are discussing.
At worst it's a "Unauthorized Release" that is available in Europe.
This album is still in copyright in the USA and related markets.
However, importing it for sale isn't really against the law.
Which is why it will be on AMAZON and such very shortly.
Ford A. Thaxton
And it will be available at BUYSOUNDTRAX.
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Jun 6, 2013 - 6:17 AM
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barryfan1
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It seems those industrious types over at Harkit will release a 50th Anniversary Edition of John Barry`s FRWL. Their Dr.NO from last year was awful, and all unreleased tracks came from the DVD. Some tracks even contained sound effects they did not manage to erase.
The samples on this seems better. Thoughts?
http://www.harkitrecords.com/russia_with_love.html
My thoughts are these:
You only have to look at the cover design, it's cheap and un-inspired, and it has no copyrighted Bond images/logos at all, which tells me it is not legit. Plus, apart from the probably DVD ripped main title (which does feature the organ overlay, but doesn't sound that great), all the other samples offered are on the legit 2003 CD anyway, apart from track 24 which is billed as From Russia With Love Alternative Version 2, but it is actually the Moonraker arrangement of the James Bond theme!!!
If MGM/Eon can't be bothered to release the complete score, all power to anyone who can, in whatever form, as the owners obviously are not interested in releasing it. Footwarmers do rarely have a place, Walkabout being the best example I can think of. Unfortunately, as far as From Russia With Love goes, this edition 'aint it!
Avoid like the plague.
Mike
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You only have to look at the cover design, it's cheap and un-inspired, and it has no copyrighted Bond images/logos at all, which tells me it is not legit.
If a record label is not releasing legitimate material then why would they also not care about using original artwork for the CD cover? In my experience unauthorised releases invariably use original artwork. The fact that Harkit do not, shows that they are very much aware of copyright issues i.e. the music they use is not under copyright but the film images are.
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"I would love an official release with more music (and the god damn Organ overlay on the Main Title in the film itself),
Ford A. Thaxton"
Seems like your wish has been answered- and mine, too.
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If a record label is not releasing legitimate material then why would they also not care about using original artwork for the CD cover? In my experience unauthorised releases invariably use original artwork. The fact that Harkit do not, shows that they are very much aware of copyright issues i.e. the music they use is not under copyright but the film images are.
I think that is an accurate statement: Harkit seem to be trying to get this out within the law and apparently exploiting to so-called 50-year rule.
Though, as I said, the 50-year rule as I understand it means this material is not public domain till 2014. Till then, it's copyrighted.
Still, is MGM/Eon going to spend lawyer dollars to stop this over that technicality? My guess is not.
As I said above, my objection to this release is not strictly 'legal', but just: if it's a rip of the 2003 CD supplemented with rips off the DVD, well, I could do that myself. Folks, don't kid yourself that MGM/Eon/EMI/whomever has supplied Harkit with tapes. And I don't feel inclined to support a label with Harkit's brand values / track record.
Including a post-1963 recording on the CD is questionable, however, unless of course they have licensed it, which they may have done.
Cheers
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I believe the 50 year rule applies to the US also.
Or, something close to it (60?)
bruce
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You only have to look at the cover design, it's cheap and un-inspired, and it has no copyrighted Bond images/logos at all, which tells me it is not legit.
. The fact that Harkit do not, shows that they are very much aware of copyright issues i.e. the music they use is not under copyright but the film images are.
the RECORDING is now pd, not the publishing rights .
right?
brm
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anyone know the story behind the cue "The Golden Horn"?
It's not in the film and it has a calypso feel which makes one think it might have been written for DR. NO.
Burlingame doesn;t say....Woolston?
brm
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