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 Posted:   Aug 27, 2013 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

For some reason Robert Wises' Director's Cut on DVD edits out one of the 3 Klingon ships being destroyed, which I'll never understand. It's like it's just gone. This re-done, re-enhanced edit really shows all ships hauling ass and I love how it all works so well with Goldsmith's music. Even though the Klingons themselves were edited out here, I love those alternate ship shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpfspdqGwEk

The original scene in the Theatrical release of the film for me has got to be one of Goldsmith's Best Scored opening sequences to a movie ever. It was so thrilling seeing it on the big screen in 70 MM back in 1979! True movie going memory!

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2013 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Some really wonderful moments.

I'm confused, though, about the VFX creator not using the interior Klingon scenes due to copyright reasons. Wouldn't that also go for the model copyrights, music copyrights, story copyrights?

He also breaks the "crossing the line" rule of filmmaking, which is certainly valid if used for a specific narrative style, but in this case it's not a style that TMP or this sequence really employ. (I'm speaking specifically of the pov shot of the energy bold, which then cuts to the front view of the cruiser being enveloped by the weapon.)

All nitpicking, of course. The VFX creator's vision of this sequence is wonderful, exciting and fits beautifully with Jerry's iconic score. (And like you said, corrects the missing cruiser blunder.)

Thanks for sharing it, Zoob!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2013 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

For some reason Robert Wises' Director's Cut on DVD edits out one of the 3 Klingon ships being destroyed, which I'll never understand. It's like it's just gone. This re-done, re-enhanced edit really shows all ships hauling ass and I love how it all works so well with Goldsmith's music. Even though the Klingons themselves were edited out here, I love those alternate ship shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpfspdqGwEk

The original scene in the Theatrical release of the film for me has got to be one of Goldsmith's Best Scored opening sequences to a movie ever. It was so thrilling seeing it on the big screen in 70 MM back in 1979! True movie going memory!


The original cut also did not show the demise of all 3 cruisers. Don't know why. Time and money I guess.

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2013 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

Nice scene Zoob, but the be really, REALLY, picky; on the space station Epsilon (whatever - yes Shat, I have a life), while the crew taps into the Klingon transmission, the ship is clearly being hit by the V'Ger lights multiple times (the Enterprise survives the first hit), so the scene should show each ship get hit at least once before defraging.

Still a cool sequence.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2013 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   jonnyquest   (Member)

For some reason Robert Wises' Director's Cut on DVD edits out one of the 3 Klingon ships being destroyed, which I'll never understand. It's like it's just gone. This re-done, re-enhanced edit really shows all ships hauling ass and I love how it all works so well with Goldsmith's music. Even though the Klingons themselves were edited out here, I love those alternate ship shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpfspdqGwEk

The original scene in the Theatrical release of the film for me has got to be one of Goldsmith's Best Scored opening sequences to a movie ever. It was so thrilling seeing it on the big screen in 70 MM back in 1979! True movie going memory!


Hey Zoob, you do realize that the link you posted isn't Wise's Director's Cut, right? That YouTube user has posted his/her/their personal recreations of SFX shots. You probably know that, but I was wondering why we were discussing the Theatrical vs. Director's Editions, but the sequence used for reference was neither. Just the same, always enjoy your posts.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2013 - 4:19 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

I remember having a First Release VHS of the movie and seeing all 3 Klingon Cruisers get their own death scene. I couldn't find that version on youtube or I would have posted to show the difference. The Director's Cut I guess just assumes we know that the 2nd ship got zapped, but it doesn't look right to me in the way it was edited. There's a funky edit with the music too in that DC edit that just sounds like a really amateur music cut. It musically sounds really silly.

For me, as I always say, the Opening Klingon Battle, Spock on Vulcan and Kirk being taken to the New Enterprise are all great parts of the movie and are basically the first 15 minutes of the film. After Kirk gets on board it all goes terribly south and really hard to watch. I usually just go back to the beginning at that point and just watch all the good stuff again.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts everybody!

Me and my friend Jeff always thought the Vulcan Priestess was saying "It is your Ruby Cock Spock!" I guess we'll always hear it that way till the day we die. Love it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2013 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I remember having a First Release VHS of the movie and seeing all 3 Klingon Cruisers get their own death scene.

The theatrical release only showed two of the three ships getting zapped. (as noted above) To my knowledge that is all that was ever filmed. The VHS was the theatrical cut of the film. If you saw three, then it might have been some weird television edit.

Me and my friend Jeff always thought the Vulcan Priestess was saying "It is your Ruby Cock Spock!" I guess we'll always hear it that way till the day we die. Love it.

Funny! I always thought she said, "Give me your throat Spock".

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2013 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

I just remember seeing each of the ships get it. The first two cruisers getting zapped really built up to the 3rd one, so excitingly with Goldsmith's music trying to get the hell out of there. You could almost hear the ship saying "Oh Shit!" It made perfect sense that you would see two ships being destroyed and the 3rd running for it's life.

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2013 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

These guys are no Robert Wise. I still have a few quibbles with his director's cut, but this re-done scene is just a mess editorially.
And without that shot of the tactical board with the torpedoes pulsing in time with the music, you might as well go home.

 
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