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 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 12:30 AM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

Just watched Spielberg's LINCOLN again last night after so long and I can honestly now say, that it's the Best Looking, Best Acted, Best Musically Scored, BORING Movie Spielberg has ever made. I rest my case.

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 12:49 AM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

I never got around to it in the theaters last year, but I just received the DVD from the library. I'm hoping it will be absorbing enough - I'm also assuming DDL does not say, "I will free your slaves! I will free them up!!!" big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

I am sorry you didn't like it because I think it's a spectacular film. I cannot think of many subjects that are as important to us as ending slavery and the intricacies behind such a grand amendment.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Mike_H   (Member)

I am sorry you didn't like it because I think it's a spectacular film.

+1

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Indeed. I found the film absolutely compelling from start to finish.

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Just watched Spielberg's LINCOLN again last night after so long and I can honestly now say, that it's the Best Looking, Best Acted, Best Musically Scored, BORING Movie Spielberg has ever made. I rest my case.

You didn't make a case!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Loverozsa   (Member)

I, too, loved Lincoln. It seems some people feel compelled be negative just to be negative. The
initial comment says a great deal more about the person making the comment than the film itself.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

TO ZOOBA- These days I can understand.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

My favourite film of 2012. The things listed in the initial post are the reasons - except for the boring part. Daniel Day-Lewis's performance alone is mesmerizing.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

It's so difficult to explain in a way. I've seen the film in the theater on opening day and shortly after again on the big screen. My first reaction was, this looks and sounds so good and I was astonished by DDL's nothing less than brilliant, supberb embodiment of Lincoln. And the touching delicate heartbreaking music by John Williams added and which I wanted more of. The film had moments that were so wonderful, like when Lincoln came in to see his sleeping son and kissed him and carried him piggy back. Just brilliant. Whenever Day Lewis was on screen, I was mesmerized. Something happened at some point in my initial viewing and I just said to myself, "this is too long". And I just felt like this is going to be a train ride that never ends. And then it got good again and then it was over. At the end I felt like wow, that was amazing and yet I was bored throughout. As I said, I saw the film a second time in the theater sometime after and I thoroughly "got it" and enjoyed it so much more. I guess for me it's a mood thing. It's an incredibly moody film. Maybe I can describe it like having a conversation with someone. Sometimes I am totally into what the person is saying to me and other times a person is talking and it's going on and on and on and I'm just thinking okay, I like this person and so I'm listening and nodding and saying yes, but I'm just really bored with what they're talking about, but I'm listening and appreciate their passion and I like them, but I'm just so not into it. Anyway, maybe that tells, like someone said, more about me than it does about a film or a subject. There was just something in the pacing of the film for me that didn't work for me, personally.

Again, the ingredient's were all there, simply brilliant acting, cinematography and music which so worked so many times. I wanted it to work all the time and I guess and in those lag moments of the "conversation" so to speak, I just wanted to sleep or leave.

Perhaps I can offer that I felt like the Secretary of War Edwin Stanton in the film, played by Bruce Mcgill. You know he truly loves and respects Lincoln the man, but at certain points he just didn't want to hear and sit through "one more damn story".

Just my feelings and I appreciate all of yours so much. Thanks.

Zoob

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

zoob:

I completely agree with you. I love Spielberg, have loved Daniel Day-Lewis since the year he did both "My Beautiful Landrette" and "A Room With A View" with performances that each, in their way, were truly impressive, but was sooooooooooo bored by a movie I expected to love. Frankly, I found it so UNinvolving that I couldn't wait for it to end, which was not the kind of reaction I was expecting to have!

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I don't think it's a regular kind of movie. It's about a historical crack of an opportunity that opens, and becomes hotly pursued even though it was the most unlikely scenario to have unfolded at that time, but did. And what it cost the man, the nation and history.

I rather liked the employment of Euclid's Elements in that scene in which Lincoln sees the simple one to one relationship between things that are self evident from an unbiased perspective. That was my favourite moment. So the film was a docu-drama more than anything else about the one thing encompassed by the one film. It's about defining humanity.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

TO ZOOBA- There is nothing written in stone that says a long movie is better then a short film. the feeling you express could come about from the fact some films are not as enjoyable because they are too long and other films can work with longevity. Some films work perfectly at the old 75 minutes. others you are hungry for more because you felt it was just a bit too short. I personally have found that sometimes a film might be a bit too short to fill in some holes in the plot. But many times I have really enjoyed the old 70-75-80- minute film and it was just right. However on the other side of the coin I have seen many films that are not just a bit too long but way too long for their own good and then some films,not many are ok running more then 2 hours. I basically side with the statement made by a well known filmmaker years ago[not sure of his name now] If you can't tell a story in 90 minutes you are not a good director, Well 95% of the time I will say RIGHT ON to that STATEMENT.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Hey zooba, I loved every parsec in the theatre and I must have loved it so much that it spurred me on to read a 600-page bio of someone that until the movie and this book was nothing more than a schoolboy-taught demigod. There were long passages in the bio that would best be characterized as boring, per se, but when the reading was completed (recently), wow, it was demigod-out-and-fascinating-historical-figure-in.

I challenge you to read a Lincoln bio and see if you can endure it better than the flick. razz

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I saw it twice on the big screen.

Haven't tried it on the small screen.

I firmly believe you either have to see it big enough or sit close enough to see the Lincolnian glint in Daniel's eyes. He really defied my expectations of an Irish actor in this role. Really nailed it. For me, personally, Spielberg has yet to make a boring movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

It was my favorite film score of the year and in recent years and I still play it constantly. The soundtrack experience is lovely to behold, expanding on so much that wasn't used in the film.

It for me is one of Williams' most beautiful and heartbreaking compositions. Just stirring and full of passion.

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 6:28 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

Just watched it.

As I was hoping, it was quite absorbing and not boring at all. A handsome pageant which, although, of course, made from a modern perspective, gave me a nice "you-are-there" feeling. DDL is certainly an unforgettable Lincoln. James Spader stood out in the supporting cast (he brought welcome moments of energetic humor throughout), and I also liked Tommy Lee Jones, Michael Stuhlberg, David Costabile and Jared Harris.

Being a fan of the movie musical 1776, I was struck by the similarities between the two films' Congress antics. Some of the characters matched up - Lee Pace reminded me of Edward Rutledge in '76, Peter McRobbie's Pendleton was like John Dickinson, Spader's Bilbo is the equivalent of Richard Henry Lee etc.

John Williams' score is fine, but almost too John Williams-y. (Whereas War Horse's score was one of the best of the previous year.) The main theme with the rising horns is almost identical to the faux-Williams music in the 1990s "Seinfeld" episode in which Seinfeld's father is "impeached" from his condo board.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   The CinemaScope Cat   (Member)

It seems some people feel compelled be negative just to be negative. The
initial comment says a great deal more about the person making the comment than the film itself.


I've never understood the mentality of when someone dislikes a film, someone retorts, "It's not the film, it's you!" as if a bad movie can't win Oscars and critical praise. Congrats to Zooba for being true to his self rather than following the crowd!

As cinema, Lincoln is no Citizen Kane or L'Avventura. It's okay not to like it. Come to think of it, it's okay not to like Kane or L'Avventura too.

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 6:55 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I liked Lincoln. The best Spielberg film in quite some time. I seem to recall that it rolled right through its ending, though, and kept going for another 5 or 10 minutes. Maybe it started a few minutes early, too, although I don't remember quite as clearly how I felt about that.

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2013 - 7:41 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

I found Lincoln to be an excellent movie. Easily, one of the best I've seen in recent years.

 
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