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 Posted:   Nov 7, 2013 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Anyone watching this Showtime series about Masters and Johnson? Pretty entertaining. I have no idea if the dramatic details are even close to accurate, but I'm enjoying the show. And, of course, I love the style and fashion of that era.

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2013 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I'd like to see it but I don't have Showtime so will have to wait for the video release.

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2013 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I've been watching it. So far it is quite fun overall. Good enough that it is keeping me watching it each week.

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2013 - 11:14 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Yeah, I was quite surprised by how good it is -- I'm pretty busy on Sunday nights, watching "The Amazing Race" and "The Good Wife," so I record the HD broadcast on the DVR and watch it a day or days later. But when I do, it seems to zip by, and I almost never look to see how much time is left, which is a sign that I'm thoroughly involved in it. Still miss "Dexter," but what an interesting story -- they were certainly pioneers back then, and I'm sure that they would be delighted by some of the progress since they died, but horrified how some politicians, when it comes to gays in the military and a woman's choice and marriage equality seem bent on taking us back to the 19th century!

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I've enjoyed watching this too, which I also record in HD and time shift, but there's one thing about it that's becoming increasingly disturbing to me and I'm starting to feel the same way about most of the other TV shows I like and get into, such as BOARDWALK EMPIRE and THE SONS OF ANARCHY, and that thing is.....

NO BACKGROUND SCORES!

I'm not sure but does GAME OF THRONES have a score? Does MAD MEN? Does HOMELAND? Does JUSTIFIED? Do most of the network dramas have scores anymore? I don't really watch that much to say for sure, but I can't recall any. Is this the future of drama on TV? At least the Star Trek shows had scores, but if they were still being made today would they?

I can understand why this would be the case because of the costs of production. I suppose that adding a score to an hour TV show, and especially if it's played by an orchestra, can easily add close to another $100 grand to the budget, but last Sunday night when I was watching BOARDWALK EMPIRE there were a couple of moments when I thought, this would be so much stronger if there was a score behind it, and from that point on I started getting taken out of the show during the intensely emotional parts.

Am I the only one bothered by this?

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

In the case of Boardwalk empire I actually like that there is no score (there is of course lots of source music as well as songs used for transitions) because the acting and writing is strong enough to hold well on its own. It depends on the genre I think. Take a show like Walking Dead and there the music does wonders! I'm sure any new Trek incarnation would still have score on it as well.

In regards to masters of sex, will have to check this show out!

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I'm not sure but does GAME OF THRONES have a score? Does MAD MEN? Does HOMELAND? Does JUSTIFIED? Do most of the network dramas have scores anymore?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. McCreary, Lennertz, Scherrer, Neely, Isham, Beal, Gold, until recently Tilton -- plenty of guys producing fine scores for TV dramas. And let's not forget the people who do great dramatic work for sitcoms like Göransson and Ron Jones. Plenty of good music on TV, and even a little that's better than good!

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:41 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

But Mastadge, why no comment about the horrifying immorality so prevalent in "Masters of Sex" -- lots of extramarital sex, men with men, the frequent use of phallic-shaped vibrators with women on the gynecological table and the large apparatus inserted by some rather seedy older men who weren't even their doctors. I'm surprised you've not shared your insight here as you were so quick to do in my discussion about the "Twilight" movies that you found so troubling.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

But Mastadge, why no comment about the horrifying immorality so prevalent in "Masters of Sex" -- lots of extramarital sex, men with men, the frequent use of vibrators with women on the gynecological table and the large apparatus inserted by some rather seedy older men who weren't even their doctors. I'm surprised you've not shared your insight here as you were so quick to do in my discussion about the "Twilight" movies that you found so troubling.

I don't know much about what's in Masters of Sex, but I have no problem with most of the things you mentioned. Sex between consenting adults of any ages or genders in any numbers or positions or scenarios doesn't bother me. My concern involved the relationship between a minor and an adult, which is a whole different ballgame.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

But it WASN'T a physical (sexual) relationship! This is ridiculous.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2013 - 5:58 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

But it WASN'T a physical (sexual) relationship! This is ridiculous.

Yeah. There's there's this old man who hangs out at high school but totally thinks the high school girls should stay away from him because he's dangerous! Nothing wrong with this scenario at all, because he's not having sex with them!

I honestly don't know why you find it so troubling that I find this troubling. I don't think any less of you for liking whatever you like. I certainly like my share of troubling stuff, and more than my share of stuff that many people don't like. It's not like by discussing my problems with Twilight I'm trying to attack your taste or anything. I wasn't even the one who brought morality into the discussion in the first place!

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2013 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I certainly find the lack of score in Masters of Sex to be interesting. Most modern dramas have such barebones generic scores that I don't even know why they bother. Agents of SHIELD is the exception rather than the rule. Much of the heavy synth action junk that they use in The Blacklist pulls me out of the show quite regularly. Shows like Elementary though I rarely notice the music because it is truly background stuff. I would prefer no music to simplistic background music with no themes.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2013 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

I'm not sure but does GAME OF THRONES have a score? Does MAD MEN? Does HOMELAND? Does JUSTIFIED? Do most of the network dramas have scores anymore?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. McCreary, Lennertz, Scherrer, Neely, Isham, Beal, Gold, until recently Tilton -- plenty of guys producing fine scores for TV dramas. And let's not forget the people who do great dramatic work for sitcoms like Göransson and Ron Jones. Plenty of good music on TV, and even a little that's better than good!


This. There are FAR more TV dramas with scores than without.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I never noticed a lack of score in Masters of Sex.

I have on impulse picked up a few CDs of scores from recent or contemporary TV shows, and I haven't found any of them to be all that compelling.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

My 2 favorites from fairly recent years are those for "Dexter" and "Downton Abbey." From the very first season of "Dexter," Daniel Licht's music captivated me and I bought the soundtrack, which was wonderful, as well as the 2 follow-ups, although I've been waiting for a 4th I ordered weeks ago from SAE. John Lunn's lovely score for "Downton Abbey," which he has continued to use for subsequent seasons, is a treasure, although I have mixed emotions about the follow-up soundtrack ("Downton Abbey --The Essential Collection"). So there are still some great TV soundtracks being written!

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I never noticed a lack of score in Masters of Sex.

I have on impulse picked up a few CDs of scores from recent or contemporary TV shows, and I haven't found any of them to be all that compelling.


Well, for whatever reason, I have noticed. All the shows I mentioned in my previous post are shows that I've watched, but if they had scores, I can't recall them! Talk about something not being compelling! I do vaguely remember a background score during the first season of MAD MEN, which was the best season in my opinion. The show has never been as good as it was in its first season, but that's true of so many shows. I think that THE SOPRANOS was never better than in its first season, and even James Gandolfini said that too. But I'll be damned if I can recall if that show had scores for every episode -- and I don't count source music as being part of a score -- I'm only talking about original music written for the episode. It's been bothering me lately that SONS OF ANARCHY doesn't have a score, only a silly musical moment at the end of the episode. I think that because of budget restraints, a TV score has to be kind of minimalist, covering only the climaxes of scenes, intense emotional moments or transitions from one scene to the next, but if that's true -- because I must admit to not really watching all that much dramatic TV (I'm probably the only person in this country that has never watched anything CSI.) so I don't really know if it's universally true -- but if it's true, then it's a damn shame because I think a background score has merit in a dramatic presentation. As Jerry Goldsmith said, "The function of a score is to enlarge the scope of a film." And of course, that applies to TV drama too, I believe.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

But Mastadge, why no comment about the horrifying immorality so prevalent in "Masters of Sex".

Is this comment meant to be mocking or ironic or something, because I don't find the show immoral at all, nor do I find the actions of most of the characters immoral, like last Sunday's episode where the Barry Bostwick character propositioned Masters' wife. I certainly don't find the Beau Bridges character immoral, nor the guy he was in the car with. But maybe I feel this way because I'm a liberal, I don't know.

Anyway, here's to watching tonight's episode -- and BOARDWALK EMPIRE!

Did anyone else here get into RAY DONOVAN on Showtime? Now, that was a show I think had some immorality -- also THE SONS OF ANARCHY -- and BOARDWALK EMPIRE. I mean , they take the law into their own hands, murder and get away with it... where's the production code when you need it? I also must admit that I never even tried watching DEXTER because I just don't find serial killers entertaining -- big time amorality there.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I do vaguely remember a background score during the first season of MAD MEN, which was the best season in my opinion.

Subsequent seasons of Madmen also had scores. This is one of the CDs that I was referring to. I've listened a couple of times and it never did anything for me. It works in the context of the show, I suppose, but that's about it.

Not to get off subject, but I think that Madmen has been very consistent throughout.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Not to get off subject, but I think that Madmen has been very consistent throughout.

Well, I'm consistently watching it, so maybe that's true. Hey, last season they had a scene involving PLANET OF THE APES, a scene I lived in real life when I was the same age as the son in that scene -- though my reaction to the end of the movie was stunned silence -- so I can't knock what's come after the first season much either, but the first season was so sad. It really had an emotional pull that, for me, just hasn't been there since, but maybe I'm just not that into it. I'm also not that crazy about most of what was the later seasons of BREAKING BAD. Great show, but all shows show strain as they try to stretch out the concept from season to season. Rare is the show that just gets better and better.

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

So, last night's episode had a score. Not much of one, but it was there. At first I didn't notice it because I was so into what was being said, but then I froze it, ran it back, and there was a music underscoring, and the "climax" of the episode had the longest cue which bled into the end credits. The music was by someone named Micheal Penn. Now I'm confused. Did last week's episode have a score? I really wonder if I just don't pay enough attention.

 
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