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Nov 23, 2019 - 12:07 PM
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Khan
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Considering it's an episode without much dialogue, I'm amazed you missed it, but:
Considering the Mandalorian himself said he had no idea what the Yoda-alien did to the Mudhorn, it's clear he has no idea what the Force is. A big statement of the Force theme, when the characters in the show don't know what the Force is, would be inappropriate.
So, the show makes it pretty clear why there's no Force theme there.
I'm not buying that argument at all. I mean, Luke has no idea what The Force is either yet during the Binary Sunset in A New Hope we get arguably the greatest performance of The Force Theme in the entire series.
Besides, it wouldn't fit in with the musical style of the series, either. Which, personally, I'm enjoying.
Of course, it would. Themes work no matter the musical style.
-Erik-
I'll take Goransson's style of scoring for this series (which works) over Erik Woods's style, kthxbye.
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This whole thread seems to be turning into an endless debate between open minded music fans and religious fanatics who will never allow anything that isn't strictly following beloved "rules" (mostly made up by them from their own perception of the existing material).
I'm a huge fan of JW's work on Star Wars, but I'm so happy Ludwig Goransson is finally offering a fresh new take on this magical World. I love his Epic Western Adventure vibe. I think it fits perfectly the tone of the show. And it opens so many new paths to explore musically. I don't care if the Force theme is absent. I'm actually welcoming this because the latest developments of the SW universe have been so disappointing to me. A fresh start is what we "need". And we have it here. Can we start rejoicing having something SW that doesn't suck?
Which doesn't mean Goransson's work is immuned from any criticism of course. But his main theme is really good and is actually stuck in my head. I find myself whistling it regularly, which hasn't happened for a very long time to me.
I couldn't agree more!
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This whole thread seems to be turning into an endless debate between open minded music fans and religious fanatics who will never allow anything that isn't strictly following beloved "rules" (mostly made up by them from their own perception of the existing material).
Yeah, right. What a load. Like it can't be anything else; the other person disagrees with you -- one is self proclaimed to be "open minded" and the other the nonsensical "religious fanatic".
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Oh, that's nonsense; fans have been accepting new material for franchises for decades, including this one. But they've also rejected, rightly or wrongly, certain new additions or creative takes.
It's an excuse to not have a real conversation about something. And yes, real nerd debate happens all the time online. Doesn't mean in the end both will agree or that either party will walk away with any changed opinion.
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RARELY do I agree with you, Justin, but you are bang on here. Unfortunately, this has been going on at FSM for years. This sort of rhetoric that one opinion is wrong and close-minded while the other is more open-minded therefore is correct has seen many great film music minds and fans completely ditch this forum because they no longer feel like their opinion (informed or not) matters or is valued.
-Erik-
Yeah? Like who?
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Nov 25, 2019 - 2:46 PM
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MattyT
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The score is slooowly growing on me, but I still think there's a lot of missed opportunity. I agree with Erik that you can still make a Star Wars western score, make it sound different , but still reference old themes without it feeling out of place. The series itself is fantastic and this last episode was by far my favorite one, but I feel like from a music standpoint, it's still missing something. I'm not dying to rush out and get this score, even though it services the series, I haven't had that moment that I took notice of the score and thought it was fantastic. There could have been musical references to the Jawas, the force, the empire...
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I think something along the lines of certain cues, from David Newman's score to "Serenity", might have worked wonderfully.
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This sort of rhetoric that one opinion is wrong and close-minded while the other is more open-minded therefore is correct has seen many great film music minds and fans completely ditch this forum because they no longer feel like their opinion (informed or not) matters or is valued.
-Erik-
Having an opinion and saying it is not the problem. Letting that opinion go unquestioned and repeatedly forcing it into a thread, without debating the pros and cons of all mentioned opinions, is.
In other words: of course, the more open-minded opinion is not correct but preferable and constructive for a meeting on message boards.
To state just a close-minded opinion on a message board has no other use but establishing one narrative and hating the others.
In the case of all Star Wars-releated scores this has happened again and again by the same people.
And that is, IMO, the reason why many score fans do not choose to engage in discussions here anymore.
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To state just a close-minded opinion on a message board has no other use but establishing one narrative and hating the others.
The ones who are closed minded are the ones who call others whiners and haters for having a different opinion.
I don´t think so.
I can only speak for myself, of course, but I was not an immediate fan of Goransson´s work. Nor do I love his scores so far or consider them equal to Williams´ or even Powell´s work for Star Wars.
But I openly posted my different reactions without beating the same point into everybody that this is A DISGRACE, AN EPIC FAIL, AND NO Star Wars MUSIC etc.
I also never rooted for any film which incorporates female and ethnic heroes, questioning the male protagonists, to fail as the usual suspects here boast about.
If those posters actually gave reasons for that it would be possible to engage in a discussion of that. Instead it´s always about an intolerant opinion posing as fact (SJW has no place in these franchises, Rey is a Mary Sue, Rian Johnson hates the fans).
And anybody who questions that is shouted down by that group or made fun of.
Yes, I took that bait, unfortunately, too, when I employed sarcasm as a response. And I apologize for that.
I just hope that we can return to a decent and welcoming atmosphere again here.
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In the case of all Star Wars-releated scores this has happened again and again by the same people.
And that is, IMO, the reason why many score fans do not choose to engage in discussions here anymore.
Exactly.
I mostly come to this forum for information on upcoming releases and that's about it.
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Nov 26, 2019 - 7:54 AM
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Solium
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To state just a close-minded opinion on a message board has no other use but establishing one narrative and hating the others.
The ones who are closed minded are the ones who call others whiners and haters for having a different opinion.
I don´t think so.
I can only speak for myself, of course, but I was not an immediate fan of Goransson´s work. Nor do I love his scores so far or consider them equal to Williams´ or even Powell´s work for Star Wars.
But I openly posted my different reactions without beating the same point into everybody that this is A DISGRACE, AN EPIC FAIL, AND NO Star Wars MUSIC etc.
I also never rooted for any film which incorporates female and ethnic heroes, questioning the male protagonists, to fail as the usual suspects here boast about.
If those posters actually gave reasons for that it would be possible to engage in a discussion of that. Instead it´s always about an intolerant opinion posing as fact (SJW has no place in these franchises, Rey is a Mary Sue, Rian Johnson hates the fans).
And anybody who questions that is shouted down by that group or made fun of.
Yes, I took that bait, unfortunately, too, when I employed sarcasm as a response. And I apologize for that.
I just hope that we can return to a decent and welcoming atmosphere again here.
Except we do give pointed reasons and they are factual and we get the same closed minded, your a misogynist, racist, man baby, etc. Its hilariously ignorant. It's like talking to a brick wall. And yes I do want films that are solely agenda based to fail, because they are bad movies. Not solely on the agenda but on the fact no thought goes into story arcs or character development. Story and characters should come first and there is a way to tastefully include agenda. Anyone who claims the same are fine with a deserve cast and creative talent.
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