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While I am happy to have this expanded edition of the score, it did leave off the film version of the "Drill Team". That version was so cool and literally was a completely different cue from the one used. What is in the film is not music tracked into the scene from other scenes.
While it begins similarly to the "Drill Team" on this album (the rising fifths on horn, the buzzing synth sound) it has a much darker and foreboding interpretation and performance of the military theme. There is a quieter solo snare drum line, the trumpet stating the military theme but none of the clicking synth sounds. After the much leaner and darker interpretation of the first minute of the original cue, the film version becomes like a "start and stop" and creeping around sensibility. It has High string accents and thumping from the timpani.
Watch the scene and compare the version in the film and what VS released. I also have a copy of the recording sessions (from the infamous bootleg from years back) and both versions of "Drill Team" were on there.
Overall, I am still happy with this release, just wish VS could have squeezed that one cue onto this release.
Sorry, you are mistaken. "Drill Team" on both albums matches the film and I've double checked everything against the dubbing log for the picture. The take presented here is the one used in the film.
Neil
I stand corrected. I did go back today and watch the scene. So yes, Drill Team is as it is in the film. It is the The Cable that sounds like what I am referring to. However, there is a 5 minute recorded cue from the aforementioned Bootleg of Recording Sessions that starts off like Drill team and quickly becomes a different composition). All the components also add up in this cue. There are moments of The Cable that are extensions and further development of sections from this piece I am referring to. But the cue I speak of is not edited from The Cable. It is one continues performance. I have the cue so I will present a breakdown below.
It starts off with the rising fifths, then the synth and ethnic drum parts, then a couple of timpani hits before introducing the military theme on a solo trumpet accompanied by a solo snare drum (with the same bass and cymbal hits). The military theme is handed over to a solo tuba or some other lower register brass instrument. During this segment there are also accompanying rhythmic soft hits (dun, dun, dun). All this dies out at 00:44 to give way to the tuba statement of the theme with sustained strings. Then at 00:55 there are soft timpani hits with the fading ticking synth sound, the snare drum and timpani interplay for a short bit and then a solo trumpet plays some higher register fast figures (similar to those found during the opening cue in Air Force One) over this interplay and the string hits return.
The music for the reveal of the dead flight attendant is not played on strings but on mid-range brass at 01:38. There is a lot of the (Dun, Dun, Dun) segments played continuously. None of the consistent ticking synth sound (as found in the current Drill Team cue) is present. The heroic military theme is not playing in a heroic and continuous fashion). At 02:14 the cue becomes similar to The Cable but is not The Cable. The return of the distant sounding rising fifths occur on brass several times with a whooshing sound that sounds like a gong mixed with a synth air machine. This material is developed and repeated about three times and at 02:55 the action portion begins with high string stabs / accents with the snare drum line, the dun dun dun lower string rhythm (with timpani accompanying), and the fast solo trumpet figures. At 3:38 there is stinger type higher pitched string stab with dissonant lower brass throbs and a layering of droning notes. At 4:00 there is a grand statement of the rising fifths motif and begins the final section of the composition that brings in the consistent ticking synth and a harmonizing synth line). At around 4:30 the cue returns to the sound of The Cable but still is not the Cable). There snare drums are replaced with just the drum sound (when you release the tension on the snare wires). Then there is a short bit where it is strictly higher strings and nothing else. The piece ends with the drum lines and the strings only. The cue is 5:39 long. So I would like to know what this went to if it was not considered an Alternate (a true alternate) to Drill Team.
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There was an early version of "Drill Team" but it's not used. The version heard on the album and in the film was recorded 12 days before the movie was released!
Neil
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And people think I'M crazy!
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He's not the one who said it was amazing in the first place.
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Guys: no bootleg discussion please.
Lukas
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I restored that clip for one of my rejected score videos years back. It works great, but if I had to choose one I'd side with Varese and use the film version. I'll try to dig up that video.
I like both and if I had to ultimately choose, I would choose the film version. Thanks for confirming that this other cue existed.
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Guys: no bootleg discussion please.
Lukas
Sorry for using the "b" word. I was doing my best to avoid having to use it. No one seemed to be responding to the fact that this alternate version of the cue existed and when someone who apparently worked closely on the project finally spoke up, they did not mention that this alternate version did exist nor why it didn't make it onto the new expanded album. Only when I mentioned the "b" word did its existence suddenly become acknowledged. I will avoid this in the future.
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There was an early version of "Drill Team" but it's not used. The version heard on the album and in the film was recorded 12 days before the movie was released!
Neil
Thank you for clearing it up. I was simply trying to understand why this alternate version did not show up on the expanded album when other VCL expanded CDs have included alternates. Hope there are no hard feelings as I was not trying to start any conflicts or arguments.
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There was an early version of "Drill Team" but it's not used. The version heard on the album and in the film was recorded 12 days before the movie was released!
Neil
Thank you for clearing it up. I was simply trying to understand why this alternate version did not show up on the expanded album when other VCL expanded CDs have included alternates. Hope there are no hard feelings as I was not trying to start any conflicts or arguments.
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The big four! "U.S. marshals" "Along Came a Spider" "Air Force One" and "13th Warrior"
Personally, I love hearing alternates, but I totally understand why they didn't have room for it.
Why is it that so many people want a complete "13th Warrior"? If the b*** was any indication of the missing music it was simply a rehash of what already is on the album. My most desired expansion is Air Force One which has so much unreleased music including the unused score of course.
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