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  General Discussion: David Arnold's THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH 2CD LLL
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 Posted:   Dec 19, 2018 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Oh dear, what have I done?

I love Skyfall, but not as much as TWINE.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2018 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

TWINE is over-orchestrated in parts, often overblown. The expansion spreads out the noise a little, but it's still a bull in a china shop. Like much David Arnold / Nicholas Dodd. Music for an army rather than a spy

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2018 - 4:11 PM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

Isn't it possible to like both what David Arnold and Thomas Newman did with their Bond scores?

I think that Arnold's music is totally excessive and overblown... and so were the films he was scoring! At least, the Brosnan movies were. I think Arnold wrote the right music for all five of his Bond pictures. And I think Newman did the same. Why does everything have to be a death match? When the number of films in your series gets into the mid-20s, I think there's room for some variation and different approaches.

 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2018 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Why does everything have to be a death match? When the number of films in your series gets into the mid-20s, I think there's room for some variation and different approaches.

Bravo!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2018 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Isn't it possible to like both what David Arnold and Thomas Newman did with their Bond scores?

I think that Arnold's music is totally excessive and overblown... and so were the films he was scoring! At least, the Brosnan movies were. I think Arnold wrote the right music for all five of his Bond pictures. And I think Newman did the same. Why does everything have to be a death match? When the number of films in your series gets into the mid-20s, I think there's room for some variation and different approaches.

It is possible to like both. It's also possible to favour one over the other,

 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2018 - 7:16 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Whatever one thinks of Arnold's scores, yoy can't deny his talent for coming up with excellent theme songs.

 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2018 - 8:10 PM   
 By:   Col. Flagg   (Member)

I think that Arnold's music is totally excessive and overblown... and so were the films he was scoring! At least, the Brosnan movies were.

I always felt that a good number of Arnold's action set pieces suffered from Arnold not having access to a finished cut of the film beforehand. A bit like THE FORCE AWAKENS, where Williams was only given 30 minutes or so to score at time. In these situations, architecture becomes a crapshoot for composers, and the result suffers. I don't blame Arnold for it, or Williams, or anyone dealt this nasty deck of cards. They're doing the best they can, and calibrating the intensity of their cues piecemeal.

In the case of both Williams and Arnold, their approaches to both franchises are frequently masterful enough for me to overlook a few bumps.
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2018 - 5:27 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

007 has arrived in Lancashire! HUZZAH!
 
 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2018 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   tman08   (Member)

I'm happy more tracks have been released in these albums. Especially as TWINE has had those tracks locked away for almost 20 years. Only gripes for me are the inclusion of the album mixes for certain tracks (Ice palace chase in DAD & the boat chase in TWINE are ones that comes to mine).

I've been reading through some of the posts but I'm assuming these tracks just weren't available. If true then the recording samples or the isolated score track that overlays on the films is disposed of if they aren't available?

If these were the film versions I'd have been more satisfied:

TWINE:

Boat chase
Body Double (techno lightly fading in and out)

DAD:

Ice Palace chase
Graves Entrance
End of Switchblades (no synth mixed in)

Overall though it's not bad. One perk is we have the isolated score from TND which has literally every cue used in the film. However if there's a LaLa release, Backseat Driver 2 needs to have the proper ending cue

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2018 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   soundtrackcollector   (Member)

As great as this release is, it's also still missing the film version of the Main Title, the film version of M's Confession, the orchestra-only version of the Main Title, a suite comprised of alternate more-electronic versions of Access Denied and Ice Bandits as well as the rejected Main Title song.

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2018 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I think that Arnold's music is totally excessive and overblown...

I've found that his scores have wonderful melodies and great action licks, but are simply overlayered and far too busy. He just puts too much into them so the real creative genius is obscured by the synth and percussion.

When they scaled back to basics and he scored Casino Royale and QoS, he also dialed back his style a bit. This resulted in two superior scores.

One question about this release: Show Me The Money & Come in 007, Your Time Is Up are one long cue split into two tracks. This was also done on the original release. Was this a contractual requirement? I tend to join these sorts of cues on iTunes because when you shuffle, it gets jarring.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2018 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I've found that his scores have wonderful melodies and great action licks, but are simply overlayered and far too busy. He just puts too much into them so the real creative genius is obscured by the synth and percussion.

Totally true. There are more "notes" in one of Arnold's TWINE/DAD gunbarrels than in one of John Barry's entire scores. Totally unnecessary and dramatically quite silly.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2018 - 12:31 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)


One question about this release: Show Me The Money & Come in 007, Your Time Is Up are one long cue split into two tracks. This was also done on the original release. Was this a contractual requirement? I tend to join these sorts of cues on iTunes because when you shuffle, it gets jarring.

Neil already answered to this question -
Placing a separate index is what was done for "Show Me The Money" and "Come In 007, Your Time Is Up". But here's the dirty little secret about those cues. It's really two separate cues that were combined with......a crossfade! And then we just indexed them to match the original album.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2018 - 2:09 AM   
 By:   Mike F   (Member)

As great as this release is, it's also still missing the film version of the Main Title, the film version of M's Confession, the orchestra-only version of the Main Title, a suite comprised of alternate more-electronic versions of Access Denied and Ice Bandits as well as the rejected Main Title song.

I thought that the film version of M's Confession was just the album version edited down. Was it a different recording?

I didn't think Ice Bandits could have more electronic elements.

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2018 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)


One question about this release: Show Me The Money & Come in 007, Your Time Is Up are one long cue split into two tracks. This was also done on the original release. Was this a contractual requirement? I tend to join these sorts of cues on iTunes because when you shuffle, it gets jarring.

Neil already answered to this question -
Placing a separate index is what was done for "Show Me The Money" and "Come In 007, Your Time Is Up". But here's the dirty little secret about those cues. It's really two separate cues that were combined with......a crossfade! And then we just indexed them to match the original album.

Thanks, I was too lazy to go back and look. smile

Two separate cues combined to make a one piece of music isn't, to me anyway, necessarily a "crossfade." It's an editorially created piece of music, like many score pieces are. Remember the unused Lost in Space second season theme by Warren Barker? It had to be assembled from a bunch of different pieces (for a 60 second tune - which boggles my mind) to make the cohesive whole. Imagine track indexes for each edit of that?

Anyway, thanks for the info!

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2018 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I think his work in the early sections of DAD is just fine.
I refer to the scenes in N.Korea, Hong Kong , Cuba and London.

The rest of his output, with the exception of the songs he co-wrote, doesn't impress me nearly as much.
brm

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2018 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   soundtrackcollector   (Member)

I thought that the film version of M's Confession was just the album version edited down. Was it a different recording?

I didn't think Ice Bandits could have more electronic elements.


I'm not sure whether the film version of M's Confession is an edited version of that on the album or whether it's a different recording. I haven't listed to both of them back to back enough to tell.

Ice Bandits can have more electronic elements and I actually prefer the alternate more electronic version. I find it more interesting and less repetitive to listen to than the film version. I find it superior to the film version.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2018 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   Mike F   (Member)

I thought that the film version of M's Confession was just the album version edited down. Was it a different recording?

I didn't think Ice Bandits could have more electronic elements.


I'm not sure whether the film version of M's Confession is an edited version of that on the album or whether it's a different recording. I haven't listed to both of them back to back enough to tell.

Ice Bandits can have more electronic elements and I actually prefer the alternate more electronic version. I find it more interesting and less repetitive to listen to than the film version. I find it superior to the film version.

I’ll have to give the film version of Ice Bandits a listen. I didn’t realise it was different to the album track.

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2019 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

If anyone is interested in hearing comments from producer Neil S. Bulk on this expanded edition of THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH, plus DIE ANOTHER DAY, DIE HARD, LAND OF THE GIANTS and ALIEN 3, I interviewed him recently on my podcast "A Score To Settle", the episode is out today! Check it out from the iTunes, Spotify and Podbean links below:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-score-to-settle/id1317649943?mt=2

https://open.spotify.com/show/1KS5lN5RfVQ1claGbxR2YJ

https://ascoretosettle.podbean.com/e/asts-022-guest-neil-s-bulk-soundtrack-album-producer-and-editor/
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2019 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Available to order again at 007store in the UK.

https://007store.com/products/the-world-is-not-enough-limited-edition-2-cd-set

 
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