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Yes, but I suppose it could also be a reference to the unused Socorro scene in which Tuco collects money from the townsfolk, what do you think?
I never occurred to me, but yes, it could. That would supposedly place the cue just before "All’inseguimento del biondo."
Perhaps Chris Malone could address the issue of whether all of the Italian titles are official cue sheet titles, or whether some of them are merely descriptive guesses.
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The gdm was great but you have answered your own question. Its incredible.
Dont wanna read the whole thread? Pick any random post.
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Mine is currently in limbo.... We moved last month just before Christmas... my Quartet order should have arrived a few days ago, but navigational systems and even Google don't know the street where I am now living (it's a new street that wasn't there last year). In any case, I hope it will arrive soon.
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Mine is currently in limbo.... We moved last month just before Christmas... my Quartet order should have arrived a few days ago, but navigational systems and even Google don't know the street where I am now living (it's a new street that wasn't there last year). In any case, I hope it will arrive soon.
If you're postie is any good he'll know or at least find out. 
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Morning all
First of all, thanks to all the contributors to this post - it’s been an invaluable read.
When I first heard about this release I googled like mad to find the best discussion page/group and this won hands-down.
With it being quite a pricey buy I was curious to know the ins and outs of what was included before purchasing, and this forum convinced me to buy.
In case there are any other geeks out there like me who want to know *precisely* how this compares to the previously released version before purchasing then this is for you.
I’m comparing it to https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0098I1ZNQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_9Uv.Fb16BXAX7 as this is the only version I have. Shamefully, I only discovered the joys of EM just under 2 years ago. On the plus side, it means I’m only double-dipping with this purchase, as opposed to triple/quadruple dipping like some on here! (I should point out that its possible/probable I have relabelled some of the track names on the “old” album in my iTunes account, apologises for any confusion this may cause!):
1 = “titles” on the old album, plus additional punctuation at start
2 = “sunset” on the old album, plus additional punctuation at start
3 new
4 Death of Baker (28s) - this is the first 28 secs of “Sentence” (1m 35s) on my original album. (the 2nd part of “Sentence” can be found at track 8 “Mary’s confession”).
5 bounty on the head/ blond angel - the first 25 secs (“bounty on the head”) can be found in “Escape On A Horse” on the old album. “Blond angel” is new.
6 escape on horseback - this is 25 secs shorter than the old album (see no 5 for reasons)
7. new
8. Mary’s confession (“death of baker” & “Mary’s confession” make up “sentence” on the old album)
9. See below
10. 9& 10 combined = “the rope bridge/in the grotto” on old album
11. new. (Very similar to “Mary’s confession” but there are piano chords added near the end)
12. New
13. = “the strong” on the old album
14. = “chase” on the old album
15. = “the desert” on the old album
16. New
17. New
18. = “carriage of spirits” on the old album
19. New
20. = “Saint Anthony mission” on the old album (plus additional punctuation at the end)
21. = “father Ramirez” on the old album
22. New
23. = “Marcia” on the old album
24. New
25. = “Story Of A Soldier (Extended)” on the old album
26. Train for the gallows/military train departure. Train for the gallows = “the military train” on old album. “Military train departure” (the final 35 secs of this track) is new
27. New
28. = “end of a spy” on the old album
29= “bandit with missing hand” on the old album, plus additional punctuation at the end
30 new
31 new
32. 2 against 5/towards $2000. 2 against 5 = “2 against 5” on the old album. “towards $2000” is new.
33 new
34 new
35 new
36 = “Marcia without hope” on the old album
37 new
38 = “DOAS” on the old album, plus additional punctuation at the end
39 = “EOG” on the old album
40 = “as 2 you will dig faster” is new. “The Trio part 1” same as the first part of “the Trio” on the original album.
41 = The Trio part 2 (New. Matches the film version)
42 new
43 new
Just a few obversations on my part (they aren’t meant as criticisms)...
It’s interesting that punctuation has been added to many of the tracks. If this was my only version of the OST I might have found it slightly annoying - for example, if I went to listen to something as beautiful as The Sunset, the punctuation at the beginning would be a bit jarring.
However, as I have an unpunctuated version of The Sunset on the old album, I can simply select that version when compiling my own preferred running order/playlist. And I still have the new version to listen to when I fancy listening to all the bells and whistles. So, after weighing up the pros and cons, the additional punctuation gets the thumbs up from me.
I was surprised to find The Trio was separated into two on the album. As a “holy grail” item i would probably have preferred to have both parts together (so that when I shuffle my “best of EM” playlist I get the whole track from start to finish in one go. However, thanks to software on my pc I have been able to cut and paste both parts of The Trio together which I have (virtually) added as a bonus track to the end of Disc 2.
Apologies for any grammar/general untidiness in the above. I’ve drawn this up on the small screen of my phone using the notes app. It’s not really as neat as I would have liked but hopefully it’s of use/interest to some!
Quandaries & Questions...
Do I swap out the original opening titles in my GBU playlist for the ones with the gunshots? This would make it more in keeping with the movie experience but I can’t quite decide!
Disc 2 Bonus Tracks:
Escape on horseback (film version). The only difference I can make out between this version and the one on disc 1 is that the guitar pluck at 29 secs on the film version is missing. Is that right? And, as the “film version”, I wonder why this wasn’t included on disc 1?
Some of the “Uahuah & Effects” will make for great message alerts. Which to choose?!
Story of A Soldier (extended stereo version, 7:31). This has a longer running time than the version on disc 1 (5:36) - which I thought *was* the extended version! So I have relabelled this as this the “extra-extended version” in order to distinguish properly; can anyone come up with a better/more appropriate name than that? (I see from the sleeve notes that there are extra verses included, hence the longer running time).
Story of a soldier (3:56). This seems to be same as the short (original) version as included on Disc 3, is that correct?
To finish off, I just want to say that this is a wonderful release. The only thing that might sour it slightly is if I see it up for sale at half price any time soon. (Completely selfish of me, I know!)
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Jan 12, 2021 - 8:44 AM
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Morning all
Quandaries & Questions...
Disc 2 Bonus Tracks:
Escape on horseback (film version). The only difference I can make out between this version and the one on disc 1 is that the guitar pluck at 29 secs on the film version is missing. Is that right? And, as the “film version”, I wonder why this wasn’t included on disc 1?
Hi there and welcome to the board!
The (unused) version on disc 1 is a completely different take. The film version sounds like a mix of both the main title (0.02-0.29: the complete guitar part) and this alternate version of Fuga a cavallo (intro timpani roll plus end part). I think the alternate version is much better though and I've no idea why they chose the other "hybrid" version in the film.
Story of A Soldier (extended stereo version, 7:31). This has a longer running time than the version on disc 1 (5:36) - which I thought *was* the extended version! So I have relabelled this as this the “extra-extended version” in order to distinguish properly; can anyone come up with a better/more appropriate name than that? (I see from the sleeve notes that there are extra verses included, hence the longer running time).
This "extra-extended version" is in fact the version used in the original Italian theatrical print of the movie. The beating scene was cut-down by about 2 min. for the 1967 International/U.S release print and used a different version; the 5:36 version on disc 1. However, the full 7:29 version was only used in the original Italian version. In 1969, upon the film's re-release in Italy, the scene was cut/shortened to about the same lenght as the International/U.S. version. This meant that the music had to be re-edited/shortened too.
Story of a soldier (3:56). This seems to be same as the short (original) version as included on Disc 3, is that correct?
Track 30 on disc 2 is basically the same but the mix is slightly different. I believe the track Tuco e Wallace (La storia di un soldato) on disc 1 is the same version/take as the one used on disc 3, albeit in mono.
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Jan 12, 2021 - 12:28 PM
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mikael488
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thanks for your reply mikael488
You're welcome!
escape on a horse - compliments to your ears! (mine obviously aren't what they used to be altho perhaps not helped by my method of comparison being iphone speakers). i've listened again to the two versions and realised that there are also several bell chimes on the film version, which don't appear on the version on disc 1.
As far as I can tell the alternate version is the "real" one, the one used in the film seems to be an edited/hybrid version which uses a segment lifted directly from the main title (the guitar part from 0:52 to 1:20) together with the drum roll intro plus outro from the alternate version.
story of a soldier - thanks for the explanation re the different lengths of each version. so, the "extra-extended version" is actually the original version - very interesting. and the two shorter versions are either edits or re-recordings. id somehow forgotten that we've also got the "Tuco e Wallace" version of this song, so thanks for clearing up how that fits in. soooo many versions.
Yes, the "extra-extended version" is the version used in the original Italian theatrical print. The 5:23 version is definitely a different version/take of the same song, probably re-recorded to better fit the cut-down beating scene in the 1967 International/U.S. print. The shorter version on the original album (the stereo mix of the track Tuco e Wallace) is also a different recording, i.e. not an edit. And not to forget; the instrumental version on disc 2 and the other alternate on the same disc (track 25).
i've got one further query re The Trio, specifically the Alternate version on Disc 2 (which I love). Do we think that this track is an alternative to the version that was used in the film? Or perhaps its an alternative to Part 2 only (i.e. it was intended to follow part 1). I'm tempted to cut and paste the Alternate version into the Extended version somewhere for a mammoth 10.5 minute version of Trio sublimeness!
I'd say the version on disc 2 is just an alternative version, possibly intended for the original soundtrack release at some point.
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I will agree with you that I wish "The Sunset" had been left on its own, with the opening of that track split off into its own track (however short). But other than that minor complaint, this is an absolutely amazing set.
Yavar
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Disc 1, Track 2 "The Sundown" also has the arghilofono (wind instrument) overlay at the 0:55 mark, which is associated with "Angel Eyes" (named "Sentenza" on European film prints). That overlay is in the film.
The alternate of "The Sundown" on Disc 2 and the "Second Organ" on Disc 2 are very similar. I can't imagine how track 14 could in any way be an alternate to the glorious original guitar piece.
Welcome to the board, Shootdonttalk. "Shoot, don't talk" is Eli Wallach's improvised quip when he gets out of his bubblebath to confront the one-armed bandit.
You are quite right about track 11, "Suspense," in that it is an alternate of "Maria's Confession" (track 8).
And I am tending to agree with mikael488 that the comical track 10, "Tuco Takes Up a Collection," is from the deleted Sorocco scene, wherein Tuco leaves his hat behind in the town square for the townsfolk to contribute to the supposed rebel cause. The cue title, "Tuco Takes Up a Collection," doesn't quite fit the restored Grotto scene (although the music does).
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Mine is currently in limbo.... We moved last month just before Christmas... my Quartet order should have arrived a few days ago, but navigational systems and even Google don't know the street where I am now living (it's a new street that wasn't there last year). In any case, I hope it will arrive soon.
If you're postie is any good he'll know or at least find out.
It finally arrived today, though the 3-CD jewel case was in shambles. Well, at least the discs look undamaged. I don't know what they do with these things... play football?
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Delayed delivery for me in the U.S., too.
Seems bad administration + pandemic + regular spurts of bad wintertime weather = E.U.-type mail slowdowns and delays.
Here's to the new edition...in the surprisingly convenient ALAC format!
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Tg...the newest GBU Club member!
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Jan 13, 2021 - 3:24 PM
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NO NAME
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Quentin Tarantino’s 11 greatest films of all time:
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly – Sergio Leone, 1966.
Rio Bravo – Howard Hawks, 1959.
Blow Out – Brian De Palma, 1981.
Taxi Driver – Martin Scorsese, 1976.
His Girl Friday – Howard Hawks, 1940.
Five Fingers of Death – Jeong Chang-Hwa, 1972.
Pandora’s Box – G. W. Pabst, 1929.
Carrie – Brian De Palma, 1976.
Unfaithfully Yours – Preston Sturges, 1948.
Five Graves to Cairo – Billy Wilder, 1943.
Jaws – Steven Spielberg, 1975.
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/static/uploads/2019/10/Quentin-Tarantino%E2%80%99s-handwritten-list-of-the-11-films.jpg
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