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 Posted:   Feb 21, 2017 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Seriously underrated composer, great score. I'm up for this one Thanks Intrada......

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2017 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   Essankay   (Member)

A great score for a great film. Bravo Intrada!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2017 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

So glad you pointed that out - I was deeply confused by the cover. For a moment there, I actually thought "Wait - Jackie Gleason really WAS Minnesota Fats?!" wink

You know, of course, he was supposing a music label conflict, not a need to clarify Gleason's identity.


Yes, I know, having owned Gleason recordings since I was a child. Thus the winking emoticon. Welcome to the internet.


yeah, I know it was suppose to a joke, but it sounds like sarcasm, as if rmos's point was irrelevant. I guess I dont get it.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2017 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

Looks like most of the score used in the film had made it onto the original soundtrack LP. So, Intrada has recreated the Kapp LP by taking the tracks not from the Kapp album master, but by going back to Fox's original scoring session tapes.

It wasn't recreated. Fox had the multi-track tapes used to make the original album, already assembled but with two tracks that ran longer that later had to be cut for LP running time. The additional cues and demos were a separate set of elements, all of it in surprisingly terrific shape. Neil Bulk sorted it all out for us.

Mike M.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2017 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

The Kapp album master may no longer exist (possibly a casualty of the UMG vault fire).


If so, it must have been copied or digitized at some point. I have the Doxy LP reissue from a few years back and the sound is outstanding, clearly not a vinyl lift.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2017 - 5:27 PM   
 By:   Essankay   (Member)

It wasn't recreated. Fox had the multi-track tapes used to make the original album, already assembled but with two tracks that ran longer that later had to be cut for LP running time. The additional cues and demos were a separate set of elements, all of it in surprisingly terrific shape. Neil Bulk sorted it all out for us.

Mike M.



Thanks for that deep-dish insider perspective, Mike. I hope other Hopkins LP masters survive as well. A set of those LPs on CD would be most welcome.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2017 - 6:04 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I can't express how excited I am for this release.

This is one of those cases where both the score and film are completely top-notch. There is

The LP was a great program, so I am glad to see it preserved here (albeit without the edits that appeared on the original album).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2017 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

The LP was a great program, so I am glad to see it preserved here (albeit without the edits that appeared on the original album).

So the longer versions appear in the album program and not as bonus tracks?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 12:07 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The LP was a great program, so I am glad to see it preserved here (albeit without the edits that appeared on the original album).

So the longer versions appear in the album program and not as bonus tracks?



See the asterisk on tracks 5 and 14 in the track listing in the first post. "4 Flights Up" ran about 1:20 on the original LP vs. 1:43 here. And the "End Title" ran about 1:04 on the LP and 2:01 here.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2017 - 7:52 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

My copy arrived today. Can't wait to spin it.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2017 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Onya - in another (older) thread you said you'd be saving pennies towards the next disc of Kenyon Hopkins...but you haven't told us how many pennies this came to or how many pennies you paid Intrada for The Hustler

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2017 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

The sound is fantastic.

I'm just getting starting on the bonus tracks.

Outstanding package!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2017 - 7:19 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Been listening all day. It is awesome! So great to have the extra tracks!

I have several questions:

Were these two-track or three-track masters?

How do they get that distinctive bongo sound? Are they using brushes on them?

I don't see a percussionist listed in the personnel. Did the vibes player double on bongos?

Two piano players are listed. Does anyone know who plays the solo piano track on side two? I'm guessing Hank Jones?

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2017 - 9:40 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Oh yeah.

I'm really loving this CD.

I know I'm harping on this one a bit, but there is so little Kenyon Hopkins love in the CD format (and the LPs are pretty expensive at this point), it is still shocking to me to have not only a disc of one of his most important scores, but sounding so damn good, and having so much good music in addition to the original album.

Taking a brief Morricone break, but this one is about to get spun yet again once that album is done.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2017 - 11:37 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Were these two-track or three-track masters?


The blurb in the first post says they were "multi-track stereo session elements." I assume that means 3 tracks or more, otherwise the use of "multi-track" along with "stereo" would be redundant.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2017 - 11:42 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Were these two-track or three-track masters?


The blurb in the first post says they were "multi-track stereo session elements." From that, I would assume it means 3 tracks or more, otherwise the use of "multi-track" along with "stereo" would be redundant.

But the blurb on the Intrada website adds a little confusion, saying that the source is "absolutely pristine condition stereo master tapes, mixed by Mike Matessino." No "multi-track" in that description. But if they were just stereo tapes, what would need to be mixed? So again, I must conclude that there were more than two tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2017 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Since OnyaBirri has me or my questions on ignore, I figured out for myself how many rolled sleeves of pennies are required to pay for 1 CD of The Hustler plus shipping.

$21.99 + $3.75 = $25.74, which is approximately 51.5 sleeves of pennies (with a single sleeve equaling 50 pennies). So OnyaBirri must have mailed 52 sleeves of pennies to the hamsters in Intrada's mail room dept.



Let us see if Onya ignores this post, too. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2017 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Let us see if Onya ignores this post, too. smile

I didn't mean to ignore you. I get bags and bags of fan mail, and I can't respond to everyone right away.

I converted my pennies to dollars from one of those rip-off machines that charges you 7 cents on the dollar or whatever.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2017 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

I converted my pennies to dollars from one of those rip-off machines that charges you 7 cents on the dollar or whatever.

Ah - OnyaBirri's Coinstar adventures. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2017 - 6:33 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Kenyon Hopkins biography

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/kenyon-hopkins-mn0000086822/biography

 
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