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 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 3:47 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Here's hoping she doesn't get Balfed like she was on Geostorm.

Wasn't she Ruperted on Wonder Woman as well?

She should be a prime candidate to score Wonder Woman 2 and yet Jenkin's, who talks a good game on increasing female representation in the film industry, is sticking with RGW.

I've never listened to a Toprak so I'm not sure what to expect, however fans of hers should temper their hopes. Lots of talk about how great Doyle's score to Thor was going to be where news broke that he was hired for the project and yet we ended up with music that was heavily influenced by the MV/RC sound.


Yeah I agree. And when I hear these superhero scores, I long for the days when Shirley Walker, without any big fanfare or news headlines would compose outstanding music in a very male dominated film genre (and industry). She was a pioneer and frankly just a great damned composer, and really at the end of the day, that’s what should count.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 3:52 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I only have one of her scores, which is The Lightkeepers. While that is a completely different genre, but I'll be honest, listening to that very colorful and melodic score really makes me excited to hear what she will do when she has an opportunity to tackle a superhero picture.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 4:21 AM   
 By:   David-R.   (Member)

Yeah I agree. And when I hear these superhero scores, I long for the days when Shirley Walker, without any big fanfare or news headlines would compose outstanding music in a very male dominated film genre (and industry). She was a pioneer and frankly just a great damned composer, and really at the end of the day, that’s what should count.

Yup. I don't care what's between your legs: what kind of music do you write?
As for Toprak, good for her, this is a big break, and I hope she does well. I haven't heard of her, but I will look into some of her stuff.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 4:22 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I don't care what's between your legs: what kind of music do you write?

That's one heckuva pick-up line you used there.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

Get a female director! Get a female composer! Get a female Best Boy...!

This does seem to be the recent fad.

The whole thing women are fighting against sorta gets diminished when they act like that as then they are just becoming what they hated before with men only wanting to hire men.

It seems like for the big male hero films though, regardless if you think this is progress or not with Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel (this film is actually co-directed with male and female) - the male hero films are still off limits to females it seems. And remember, Marvel is known for hiring unknowns because they are cheaper then getting a John Williams to score your movie.

In the end, my opinion is hire who you think is best for the job. Not to make a political statement. Maybe Pinar will knock it out of the park or maybe she won't.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   scottweberpdx   (Member)

Such great new...I've been hoping Toprak would get a breakthrough soon, and this may just be it. That being said...the misogyny evident in some of the previous comments is disheartening :-(

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 6:02 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Agreed.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 6:12 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Get a female director! Get a female composer! Get a female Best Boy...!

This does seem to be the recent fad.

The whole thing women are fighting against sorta gets diminished when they act like that as then they are just becoming what they hated before with men only wanting to hire men.

It seems like for the big male hero films though, regardless if you think this is progress or not with Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel (this film is actually co-directed with male and female) - the male hero films are still off limits to females it seems. And remember, Marvel is known for hiring unknowns because they are cheaper then getting a John Williams to score your movie.

In the end, my opinion is hire who you think is best for the job. Not to make a political statement. Maybe Pinar will knock it out of the park or maybe she won't.


Shirley Walker did all right in the 90s. I agree that get the best person for the job but we've seen time and time again examples of hiring male composers who didn't do such a great job so perhaps it's time to level the playing field and allow middle of the road female composers a crack at it. Not saying Toprak is by the way. But like anything there is a spectrum that exists. Someone like Nan Schwartz is incredibly talented, and has writing chops that put many people to shame. But she's not getting these assignments. Nor is someone like Anne Dudley who composed a terrific, almost epic score for America History X. I'd have thought she'd get more gigs or at least consideration.

To be honest, it's likely Toprak's music will conform to the ideological template that so many MCU films do. Propulsive, rhythm based music with a couple themes but never treading into the sophisticated waters we once saw comic book movies achieve like Elfman and Walker's Batman, Williams Superman, etc.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Jesus it took like, what, less than half a dozen posts for all the sexism and misogyny to come out? This place can be a fucking cesspool sometimes.

You'd have to be blind not to notice how EVERY female superhero movie has to have a female director now. I have no problem with it, but it's kind of hilarious how it's even creeping into the tech credits.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Get a female director! Get a female composer! Get a female Best Boy...!

This does seem to be the recent fad.

The whole thing women are fighting against sorta gets diminished when they act like that as then they are just becoming what they hated before with men only wanting to hire men.

It seems like for the big male hero films though, regardless if you think this is progress or not with Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel (this film is actually co-directed with male and female) - the male hero films are still off limits to females it seems. And remember, Marvel is known for hiring unknowns because they are cheaper then getting a John Williams to score your movie.

In the end, my opinion is hire who you think is best for the job. Not to make a political statement. Maybe Pinar will knock it out of the park or maybe she won't.


Shirley Walker did all right in the 90s. I agree that get the best person for the job but we've seen time and time again examples of hiring male composers who didn't do such a great job so perhaps it's time to level the playing field and allow middle of the road female composers a crack at it. Not saying Toprak is by the way. But like anything there is a spectrum that exists. Someone like Nan Schwartz is incredibly talented, and has writing chops that put many people to shame. But she's not getting these assignments. Nor is someone like Anne Dudley who composed a terrific, almost epic score for America History X. I'd have thought she'd get more gigs or at least consideration.

To be honest, it's likely Toprak's music will conform to the ideological template that so many MCU films do. Propulsive, rhythm based music with a couple themes but never treading into the sophisticated waters we once saw comic book movies achieve like Elfman and Walker's Batman, Williams Superman, etc.


Jesus it took like, what, less than half a dozen posts for all the sexism and misogyny to come out? This place can be a fucking cesspool sometimes.

You'd have to be blind not to notice how EVERY female superhero movie has to have a female director now. I have no problem with it, but it's kind of hilarious how it's even creeping into the tech credits.


Yeah it's the cynicism of the whole thing that makes some people comment the way they do. To my knowledge the fact Shirley Walker was female didn't cross anyone's mind. Neither should Toprak of course, but hiring females for the sake of being female is clearly a trend.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   KeoNato   (Member)

Jesus it took like, what, less than half a dozen posts for all the sexism and misogyny to come out? This place can be a fucking cesspool sometimes.

You'd have to be blind not to notice how EVERY female superhero movie has to have a female director now. I have no problem with it, but it's kind of hilarious how it's even creeping into the tech credits.


I would say we’re trying to make up for decades of under-representation.

I really don’t understand this trend I’m seeing in a lot of comments here. Women should be given the same opportunities as men in the industry but they should just be quiet about it?

I don’t get that logic.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I don't care what's between your legs: what kind of music do you write?

That's one heckuva pick-up line you used there.


No.comment.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Jesus it took like, what, less than half a dozen posts for all the sexism and misogyny to come out? This place can be a fucking cesspool sometimes.

You'd have to be blind not to notice how EVERY female superhero movie has to have a female director now. I have no problem with it, but it's kind of hilarious how it's even creeping into the tech credits.


I would say we’re trying to make up for decades of under-representation.

I really don’t understand this trend I’m seeing in a lot of comments here. Women should be given the same opportunities as men in the industry but they should just be quiet about it?

I don’t get that logic.


Feminists/SJW's say the sex doesn't matter, then they are hired based on sex. You can't have it both ways. Look, good for her, I don't know this composers work and hope she churns out a great score. But it's funny how people cant see the cynicism.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   kaseykockroach   (Member)

It was an easy pun on her last name. Delete it if you wish, but I thought it was funny. A joke on her last name inherently has nothing to do with sexism.

General rule of thumb — if you wouldn’t say it in real life around strangers, don’t say it online.

It’s a cheap and embarrassing sexist comment.

I would say it in real life if I had the impression I was in the presence of people who had a sense of humor.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Feminists/SJW's say the sex doesn't matter, then they are hired based on sex. You can't have it both ways. Look, good for her, I don't know this composers work and hope she churns out a great score. But it's funny how people cant see the cynicism.

Solium, may the directors, Boden and Flack, hired her because they heard some of her previous scores and liked them and also HIRED her because she was female. Maybe both. It is called leveling the playing field. You have to start somewhere in order to create equal opportunities.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Feminists/SJW's say the sex doesn't matter, then they are hired based on sex. You can't have it both ways. Look, good for her, I don't know this composers work and hope she churns out a great score. But it's funny how people cant see the cynicism.

We don't say that sex doesn't matter. We advocate for justice. When women are ~half of the population, but more than 90% of the 250 top-grossing films in any given year are directed by men, we wonder why that is? Are there that many fewer women interested in being directors than men? No? Then when there are opportunities to hire female directors who can do a good job for the project, especially for prestige projects, let's take them. When male composers account for more than 98% of pieces performed by top orchestras, pointing out the "hypocrisy" of an orchestra having an event celebrating female composers because of their sex just comes across as petty, y'know? There are power structures and very real barriers to women getting these jobs in the entertainment industry (as in many industries), and taking strides to correct the imbalance is not the same as being "reverse sexist" or whatever.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   KeoNato   (Member)

It was an easy pun on her last name. Delete it if you wish, but I thought it was funny. A joke on her last name inherently has nothing to do with sexism.

General rule of thumb — if you wouldn’t say it in real life around strangers, don’t say it online.

It’s a cheap and embarrassing sexist comment.

I would say it in real life if I had the impression I was in the presence of people who had a sense of humor.


Uh huh. Regardless, making a lame comment about a woman’s breast size and then saying it’s not sexist is some next level galaxy brain stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I absolute ADORE and LOVE a lot of the classy men on this thread, and you know who you are.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   KeoNato   (Member)

Feminists/SJW's say the sex doesn't matter, then they are hired based on sex. You can't have it both ways. Look, good for her, I don't know this composers work and hope she churns out a great score. But it's funny how people cant see the cynicism.

We don't say that sex doesn't matter. We advocate for justice. When women are ~half of the population, but more than 90% of the 250 top-grossing films in any given year are directed by men, we wonder why that is? Are there that many fewer women interested in being directors than men? No? Then when there are opportunities to hire female directors who can do a good job for the project, especially for prestige projects, let's take them. When male composers account for more than 98% of pieces performed by top orchestras, pointing out the "hypocrisy" of an orchestra having an event celebrating female composers because of their sex just comes across as petty, y'know? There are power structures and very real barriers to women getting these jobs in the entertainment industry (as in many industries), and taking strides to correct the imbalance is not the same as being "reverse sexist" or whatever.


This exactly.

When there are systems and structures in place designed to keep a certain group of people disenfranchised or under-represented, you cannot address it without acknowledging race or sex or whatever else is a factor.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2018 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   bagby   (Member)

Congratulations to Ms. Toprak, but I must admit if I was making the choice here, I'd have selected Debbie Wiseman.

I’d have suggested Anne Dudley but hey I also thought she would have done an amazing job on Wonder Woman too.

On one hand, I’m happy that this film based on a female protagonist is being scored by a woman. Great move. On the other, and this is just personal taste, I’ve not heard anything by Ms Toprak that I really like but maybe this will be the score that changes that. smile


Also a solid choice. Rachel Portman's score for 'Race' also makes me think she could do an action MCU picture.

I miss Shirley Walker.

 
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