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 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Re: Total Recall- I'm pretty sure Jerry just put a mic underneath a metal trash can and beat the hell out of it.

you just have not been the same since your Avatar changed bud


LOL! Yeah I've been meaning to go back to my original avatar. I'll get that done asap.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'd tack on to what Thor said, that what you said:

"It is one of the top 5 film scores of the 21st century, and above all, one of the best examples of electronic music in film ever (top 10), therefore I do consider it probably the last most important score that was released."

Is not fact and is nothing more than your personal opinion.

To even state that first part of the sentence is really bizarre. It's morphed from a mere personal opinion to a personal opinion on the fringes.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

I just wanted to chime in with what might be a minority opinion if I can express it coherently (this may also be transparent and obvious and requires no explication from the likes of me), but popularity can be of huge importance in the assessment and assignment of value judgments for any work of art. Knowing in a broad sense what audiences actually buy and spend money on shouldn’t be ignored or belittled – especially when assessing genre tropes. After all, we wouldn’t still be experiencing Shakespeare productions if he wasn’t a popular author in his own time and drew audiences to the theater – that intrinsic popularity and ability to “sell” over the ages has helped his work to endure and accrue value judgement along the way, some good and some bad. Now I am sounding preachy. Arriving at a solid and defensible determination of worth and what is best in any art form is for the most part a slippery slope full of personalized value judgments that only reflect one’s own prejudices. For me at least inclusion on a “most popular” list doesn’t immediately disqualify said contents from being considered a “best” list at one and the same time. By nature, I guess I am wary of elitism – to which I, of course, I plead guilty to multiple counts of commission.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

While I am not generally shy about making grand, opinionated statements about anything I know about, or even that I don't know about, I would not claim to have the first idea what makes a film score "important."

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I just wanted to chime in with what might be a minority opinion if I can express it coherently (this may also be transparent and obvious and requires no explication from the likes of me), but popularity can be of huge importance in the assessment and assignment of value judgments for any work of art. Knowing in a broad sense what audiences actually buy and spend money on shouldn’t be ignored or belittled – especially when assessing genre tropes. After all, we wouldn’t still be experiencing Shakespeare productions if he wasn’t a popular author in his own time and drew audiences to the theater – that intrinsic popularity and ability to “sell” over the ages has helped his work to endure and accrue value judgement along the way, some good and some bad. Now I am sounding preachy. Arriving at a solid and defensible determination of worth and what is best in any art form is for the most part a slippery slope full of personalized value judgments that only reflect one’s own prejudices. For me at least inclusion on a “most popular” list doesn’t immediately disqualify said contents from being considered a “best” list at one and the same time. By nature, I guess I am wary of elitism – to which I, of course, I plead guilty to multiple counts of commission.

Your points are valid from a broad perspective, however look at the band Kiss. The music for them was just to frame the costumes and show, and they were wildly popular in the 70s. And I mean, wildly...near-Beatlemania. The members have openly admitted that they recycled thoroughly what was popular at the time, just to be able to get known. So, Kiss will live on...the music will get buried under whatever's more popular currently.

It could be argued that one of the problems with using the "everything's subjective" epithet is that we could logically put Eminem up there with Beethoven as a composer. I'm sorry, but anyone who is educated in music will have super problems with that, and I'm not afraid at all to admit I'm one of them. I don't like the scores from the 80s on as much as the earlier...not just for the different level of talent that was required, but because the Golden and Silver ages endlessly bring joy to me.

And that's all, folks! Be-BE-be-BE-BE_BE!

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Re: Total Recall- I'm pretty sure Jerry just put a mic underneath a metal trash can and beat the hell out of it.

Ecce homo! Thank god we have experts here, otherwise I would have fallen asleep writing my own drivel!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

I still think Zimmer's Interstellar was pretty huge - to be able to sellout Royal Albert Hall for a live to film performance so close to the film's release is quite impressive. It was a huge score for me.

Martinez's SOLARIS is also a phenomenal work.

Tron Legacy was another big one for me, it sure influenced Aquaman's score. wink


I agree with Interstellar and Tron Legacy are two most monumental scores this century that captured the audience's attention.

In terms of influential, Inception is probably the one score that everyone imitated the most a couple years after its release.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

What was the last important film score?
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The one that I just bought!
It replaced the previous important one.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


It could be argued that one of the problems with using the "everything's subjective" epithet is that we could logically put Eminem up there with Beethoven as a composer. I'm sorry, but anyone who is educated in music will have super problems with that, and I'm not afraid at all to admit I'm one of them.


I've been making that argument for years!


I don't like the scores from the 80s on as much as the earlier...not just for the different level of talent that was required, but because the Golden and Silver ages endlessly bring joy to me.


Well, you had me then you lost me. There's some phenomenal scores in the 80's, and just as good as anything from the masters before them.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

As most of you know, I really despise Zimmer... but I have to admit that the VERY FIRST score that popped in my mind when I read the subject heading was............Interstellar.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

I take "important" to mean influential in this case. I would say that the last massively influential score was Zimmer's "Inception" - its been almost ten years since that film was released yet the temp track love for that score all across the board (movie scores, tv scores, television commercials, app/website commercials, movie trailers, video games) continues to climb to an insane level.

I would also say that "Stranger Things" seems to have had an enormous impact. The "retro 80s synth" style of scoring was already coming back, but "Stranger Things" seems to have considerably expedited the popularity of that approach.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I agree with Interstellar and Tron Legacy are two most monumental scores this century that captured the audience's attention.

I think you maybe meant 'decade' there (as in the 2010s), not 'century'. Certainly, the 2000s have many scores that rival those in terms of 'audience attention'. But yes, those are two popular scores with wide appeal (TRON is also very much a score of the post-INCEPTION era).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)


It could be argued that one of the problems with using the "everything's subjective" epithet is that we could logically put Eminem up there with Beethoven as a composer. I'm sorry, but anyone who is educated in music will have super problems with that, and I'm not afraid at all to admit I'm one of them.


I've been making that argument for years!


I don't like the scores from the 80s on as much as the earlier...not just for the different level of talent that was required, but because the Golden and Silver ages endlessly bring joy to me.


Well, you had me then you lost me. There's some phenomenal scores in the 80's, and just as good as anything from the masters before them.


Yeah, there was some impeccable craft in the 80's Goldsmith was of course on fire and working a lot, but I think all of Horner's 80's works were the very top of his craft as well.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I agree with Interstellar and Tron Legacy are two most monumental scores this century that captured the audience's attention.

I think you maybe meant 'decade' there (as in the 2010s), not 'century'. Certainly, the 2000s have many scores that rival those in terms of 'audience attention'. But yes, those are two popular scores with wide appeal (TRON is also very much a score of the post-INCEPTION era).


I really like Tron Legacy, but it hardly did anything new nor did it change how films are scored in general. So not particular "important" in film score history.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

As most of you know, I really despise Zimmer... but I have to admit that the VERY FIRST score that popped in my mind when I read the subject heading was............Interstellar.

I really like that one. I liked the movie, but it was kind of long imo.

There are terrific film scores from the 80s, Poltergeist, The Thing, Blade Runner. I just don't like them as much as the ones that came before. And that actually goes for everything since, really. I'm an old time film score lover, and I love being that!

That's just me, and I respect your opposing opinion.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

As most of you know, I really despise Zimmer... but I have to admit that the VERY FIRST score that popped in my mind when I read the subject heading was............Interstellar.

I really like that one. I liked the movie, but it did kind of long imo.

There are terrific film scores from the 80s, Poltergeist, The Thing, Blade Runner. I just don't like them as much as the ones that came before. And that actually goes for everything since, really. I'm an old time film score lover, and I love being that!

That's just me, and I respect your opposing opinion.


You sound like a good dude, or dude-ette, but officially speaking, at least for me, Solium is always right, but I have a bias, because he and I agree on everything, I think we disagreed on one thing once, but I cannot recall what it was now

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

As most of you know, I really despise Zimmer... but I have to admit that the VERY FIRST score that popped in my mind when I read the subject heading was............Interstellar.

I really like that one. I liked the movie, but it did kind of long imo.

There are terrific film scores from the 80s, Poltergeist, The Thing, Blade Runner. I just don't like them as much as the ones that came before. And that actually goes for everything since, really. I'm an old time film score lover, and I love being that!

That's just me, and I respect your opposing opinion.


You sound like a good dude, or dude-ette, but officially speaking, at least for me, Solium is always right, but I have a bias, because he and I agree on everything, I think we disagreed on one thing once, but I cannot recall what it was now


Heaven forbid I should attempt to disrupt a winning streak.

I love "dude-ette".

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Oh Jeez....

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Oh Jeez....

lol!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I really like Tron Legacy, but it hardly did anything new nor did it change how films are scored in general. So not particular "important" in film score history.

I agree. A very popular score, with major crossover appeal (obviously, since it was Daft Punk), but not really an important score. It's basically INCEPTION with some added electronic textures.

 
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