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 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

MV posted this news in the LLL/MV Questions Thread, but I think it's important enough to get it's own thread for optimal discussion.


Sony Music has decided to not do deals any more with all the labels so it does throw a monkey wrench into some plans. Hopefully things will change. We'll see


We have 2 major projects pending but other than that the other titles we were looking into and/or started some work on were scrapped. The letter went out to all the labels



Has there been any explanation or is somebody here in the position to at least reasonably speculate as to what led Sony Music to make this decision? Can't be that the small specialty labels were cutting too deep into their profits (as its all really niche), and I don't see any intention for Sony do release the stuff on their own. Was it simply too much overhead to have all the legalities cleared?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)


Has there been any explanation or is somebody here in the position to at least reasonably speculate as to what led Sony Music to make this decision?


These types of decisions rarely come with reasons.

It can be as simple as new bosses coming in to do things differently.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

It's perhaps nothing more complex than the Sony numbers-people deciding to focus on providing downloads of their own product and cutting links with the labels that require the distraction of limited quantities of CDs.

Anyway, they might change their minds... Sony stopped LP production for a quarter of a century, before starting it up again only recently. So applying that example to CDs, you might yet get a Sony CD of the expansion you want in 2044.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)


Has there been any explanation or is somebody here in the position to at least reasonably speculate as to what led Sony Music to make this decision?


These types of decisions rarely come with reasons.

It can be as simple as new bosses coming in to do things differently.


That was my first thought. What the regime change giveth (*cough* Paramount *cough*), the regime change taketh away.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Too bad SONY does control INDY.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

That said, given that we know that Williams has kiboshed releases of such scores as "Story of a Woman" and "The Rare Breed," I would guess that Williams' interest in releasing a score like "Gidget Goes to Rome" (if tapes even exist) might be minimal.

Yeah, I know that. Williams may boycott, the tapes may not exist etc. But Sony's decision to not work with specialty labels still feels like (yet another) nail in the coffin.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

That said, given that we know that Williams has kiboshed releases of such scores as "Story of a Woman" and "The Rare Breed," I would guess that Williams' interest in releasing a score like "Gidget Goes to Rome" (if tapes even exist) might be minimal.

Yeah, I know that. Williams may boycott, the tapes may not exist etc. But Sony's decision to not work with specialty labels still feels like (yet another) nail in the coffin.


Except, again, Lukas says it's Sony Music, not Sony Pictures, so I think the JWFan post is inaccurate anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Oh, OK.

Move along, then. Nothing to see here.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   Henry Jones   (Member)

Is it nut to think that Sony may produce themselves limited editions of scores? After all, Sony's Didier C. Deutsch didn't wait for speciality labels to produce such editions in the 90's. Think to Star Trek: The Motion Picture 2 CD, How the West Was Won or The Reivers to quote some of them...

The tragic passing of Nick Redman, the departure of Robert Townson from Varèse and now this. We're living a turning point. Not sure it's a good one, to say the least.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

They repackaged Titanic without adding anything back in 2012.

Prior to that, remember Phantom Menace?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   Roy Donga   (Member)

I don’t know if Freewilly 2 was ever possible because of the MJ involvement but this makes it even worse

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

They repackaged Titanic without adding anything back in 2012.

Prior to that, remember Phantom Menace?




UE was a god send depite people not liking it


W would never had ANAKIN IS FREE or ESCAPE FROM NABOO and other good cues like the full opening scenes


 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   JohnnyRoastbeef   (Member)

Maybe there's good news somewhere in this, like Mike Matessino is secretly working with Sony to bring out expanded editions of all of the John Williams scores above! Maybe? Hopefully? Anyway, hopefully it is only temporary. Regimes change at big companies all of the time, and they frequently change their policies. Maybe this moratorium won't last long...

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   hollywoodvegas   (Member)

Sony really has not been fan friendly for a while. They moved to CDRs on Amazon US and then to CDRs on almost all of the titles they have released worldwide.

Now they make this decision that further impacts score fans.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Oh, SHIT -- I forgot this also excludes an expansion for Free Willy 2 (and the first as well, but that needs one far less). Basil's music for the sequel is more developed and more orchestral than the original, with multiple lovely new themes. This is a huge loss which I feel more keenly than even any of those Williams or Horner titles that can no longer be expanded now. frown Maybe even more than those two great Waxman titles LLL was working on already (Sayonara and The Spirit of St. Louis) which will now not be expanded.

Of course there's an outside chance maybe it's one of the two titles LLL has in the pipeline already?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Comte_de_bleuchamps   (Member)

just to be certain of the situation

Example: "The Specialist" is a Warner Bros Movie but the score by John Barry is released on EPIC Records label which is own by Sony Music.

Does it means with the new development that a possible future release is now compromised for the speciality labels except if Sony Music decide do it themselves?

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Yes.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Yes, this is an alarming bit of news, but I do think a little knowledge is a dangerous thing here.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Roy Donga   (Member)

So for me Free Willy 2 now tops the list for a Tadlow re-recording. Can someone do a kickstarter please

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

SchiffyM:

Yes, this is an alarming bit of news, but I do think a little knowledge is a dangerous thing here


Danger is our middle name.

 
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