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At least on Varese's website it was fixed... but since nobody noticed...
I swear you have one SERIOUS vendetta against this label and btw. When you are constantly posting your disdain for a silly soundtrack label, it's time to get another hobby, go outside, take a walk, make a new friend. No release or label should upset anyone on any level. And if it does, my goodness Petr, maybe it's time to take a step back. Mistakes are made at any label. It's easy to point them out from the outside and laugh at them as being "incompetent bozos", but it's not until you work at a label full time and all that goes into a project and the amount of detailed work involved, well if you worked at one there would be mistakes from time to time done by you. Everyone who works at Varese and all the other great labels we love are, get this, HUMAN. Relax, take a pill, binge some TV. These soundtracks should not get anyone that upset. 
This is a ridiculous mistake. It’s a soundtrack label. Can’t even get that word right? Good grief.
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You guys must be so fun at parties
Oh I definitely am. Especially when I bring my Varese Soundtrtacks.
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Jul 8, 2020 - 12:27 AM
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I swear you have one SERIOUS vendetta against this label and btw. When you are constantly posting your disdain for a silly soundtrack label, it's time to get another hobby, go outside, take a walk, make a new friend. No release or label should upset anyone on any level. And if it does, my goodness Petr, maybe it's time to take a step back. Mistakes are made at any label. It's easy to point them out from the outside and laugh at them as being "incompetent bozos", but it's not until you work at a label full time and all that goes into a project and the amount of detailed work involved, well if you worked at one there would be mistakes from time to time done by you. Everyone who works at Varese and all the other great labels we love are, get this, HUMAN. Relax, take a pill, binge some TV. These soundtracks should not get anyone that upset.
"We all make mistakes" is just a cop out. Somewhere this is somebody's favourite score - and there's a blatant error on the front cover.
LLL reprinted Star Trek: The Motion Picture because "Soundtrack" was spelled wrong on thr spine. Will Varese do the same here? I suspect not. And that's why people get annoyed.
That's US Marshals with a track time error, Seaquest without the TV version main title... and this. You get the idea.
But of course, they're only human...
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I swear you have one SERIOUS vendetta against this label and btw. When you are constantly posting your disdain for a silly soundtrack label, it's time to get another hobby, go outside, take a walk, make a new friend. No release or label should upset anyone on any level. And if it does, my goodness Petr, maybe it's time to take a step back. Mistakes are made at any label. It's easy to point them out from the outside and laugh at them as being "incompetent bozos", but it's not until you work at a label full time and all that goes into a project and the amount of detailed work involved, well if you worked at one there would be mistakes from time to time done by you. Everyone who works at Varese and all the other great labels we love are, get this, HUMAN. Relax, take a pill, binge some TV. These soundtracks should not get anyone that upset.
"We all make mistakes" is just a cop out. Somewhere this is somebody's favourite score - and there's a blatant error on the front cover.
LLL reprinted Star Trek: The Motion Picture because "Soundtrack" was spelled wrong on thr spine. Will Varese do the same here? I suspect not. And that's why people get annoyed.
This album isn't even out yet for a couple of weeks. Varese acknowledged the mistake on FB and said they were gonna change it. So yeah... And oh, it's the spine not thr spine. See how easy it is to make a mistake 
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Did BSX have to redo their 2-disc LIFEFORCE because it says LIFFEFORCE on the spine? Is the EMI CD of REVENGE OF THE PINK PANTHER somehow worthless because it says REVENGE OF THE PINK PANTER on the back? And there are loads of CDs where the listed track times (and indeed the track listings themselves - remember the original CONGO?) are vague approximations at best. Mistakes happen, but it's not as if anyone got hurt.
(I have no dog in the DRACULA 2000 fight specifically - I have it in the Varese horror box so don't need another copy. One day I shall listed to it...)
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Jul 8, 2020 - 5:55 AM
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"We all make mistakes" is just a cop out. Somewhere this is somebody's favourite score - and there's a blatant error on the front cover.
LLL reprinted Star Trek: The Motion Picture because "Soundtrack" was spelled wrong on thr spine. Will Varese do the same here? I suspect not. And that's why people get annoyed.
That's US Marshals with a track time error, Seaquest without the TV version main title... and this. You get the idea.
But of course, they're only human...
I completely agree with this. I understand where @drivingmissdaisy is coming from--to an extent. Yes, people make mistakes. Yes, many of us probably don't understand first-hand what all is involved. And, yes...sometimes people will automatically jump on the smallest things and declare their feelings in some very harsh, overly critical, and sometimes insulting ways. That is when it's completely unacceptable.
Now, that being said...
We are customer of these labels, and they are professionals in the business of producing soundtracks for us to purchase. It is not unreasonable for us to expect a high and consistent rate of accuracy from them. This is why Quality Control is a thing. If someone makes a mistake, shouldn't there be at least one or two other people waiting to double and triple-check?
LLL has made their share of mistakes. Remember Toothless T-Rex from the Jurassic Park Collection? But they reprinted the booklets and made them available. They have taken those extra steps to correct issues.
Varese, on the other hand, seems to take an opposite approach. It seems as though we're just expected to deal with it, shut up, and "it's just music".
The discussion-turned-heated debate over in the seaQuest/Running Man thread (a conversation in which I participated) is a great example. It started out with the omission of the TV version of the theme (which is on the original release). Then it came out that the first several tracks on Disc 2 are credited to the wrong episode. Then, it came out that all the images were from Season 2 in a Season 1 set.
Most of us were pretty objective in expressing our disappointment and frustration (I think the worst I said was that it seemed like Varese got "lazy" with the release but then said maybe "careless" was a better word), but the "as close to official" responses that we got were heavily skewed toward "hey other labels mess up so give us a break" (I'm paraphrasing here). Since two of the responders were actually involved in the album's production, I took the opportunity to ask some specific questions that could clarify things for us (y'know..."us"...the people buying the albums).
To date, most of those questions have gone unacknowledged, which is disappointing.
HUGE EDIT: Actually, Bryon Davis DID clear up the issue of the incorrect season photos. In specific detail too. So...kudos and a shout-out to him for that!
I know it's not just Varese. I know Intrada and LLL have gotten their feathers ruffled on here too, and sometimes, yes, it's been triggered by some members getting pretty pissy about things. However, it just seems to be a more frequent occurrence with Varese.
I'm probably going to catch flak from some for this next part, so I want to be clear and up-front that I have the utmost respect for the hard work labels and their teams put into these releases. So many film score dreams have come true for me because of them, and I offer them my sincerest thanks for all their efforts. I also know that the membership of this board is a bit more unique than other online communities in that there's a significant number of industry insiders and professionals are regular posters (MV, Roger, Ford, Mike, etc.), so some stuff can't help but be taken like a personal attack/insult at times. We're all human, and let's be honest--pretty much everyone's nerves are fried at this point.
That being said, not all of us are insiders. I would guess that many of us (maybe even the majority?) are simply film score fans and customers. We have questions. We have personal opinions. We seek to discuss those opinions and questions with each other. Personally, I feel that most of the time we're not insulting, rude, or offensive about it. But lately, it really seems like some of those insiders--especially when they're connected to the album being discussed--can get excessively defensive and, at times, antagonistic. Speaking for myself, that deters me from wanting to openly share my thoughts.
And this is the part where I might get blasted (and I'm going to close on this part too): Sometimes, I think it gets forgotten that we're not only fellow fans but customers as well and, if you're going to speak on behalf of the business or project, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a bit more professionalism. Even if the regular joe members are being trolls, be the more respectful party and stop telling us to get over it, we're not the only ones to make mistakes, this theme has been available on iTunes for 25 years so go download that, etc. (and yeah that last one is about seaQuest). Just calmly tell the person that they're being antagonistic and don't bother engaging with them. If they're really just throwing a tantrum, people will ignore them and move on.
Again, I just want to make it clear that my words are not intended to be disrespectful. They are, however, how I feel about the current trend in responding to members' issues, frustrations, complaints, etc. about albums.
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And instead Hackman's constant personal attacks continue.
Something with a pot and a kettle...
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"We all make mistakes" is just a cop out. Somewhere this is somebody's favourite score - and there's a blatant error on the front cover.
LLL reprinted Star Trek: The Motion Picture because "Soundtrack" was spelled wrong on thr spine. Will Varese do the same here? I suspect not. And that's why people get annoyed.
That's US Marshals with a track time error, Seaquest without the TV version main title... and this. You get the idea.
But of course, they're only human...
I completely agree with this. I understand where @drivingmissdaisy is coming from--to an extent. Yes, people make mistakes. Yes, many of us probably don't understand first-hand what all is involved. And, yes...sometimes people will automatically jump on the smallest things and declare their feelings in some very harsh, overly critical, and sometimes insulting ways. That is when it's completely unacceptable.
Now, that being said...
We are customer of these labels, and they are professionals in the business of producing soundtracks for us to purchase. It is not unreasonable for us to expect a high and consistent rate of accuracy from them. This is why Quality Control is a thing. If someone makes a mistake, shouldn't there be at least one or two other people waiting to double and triple-check?
LLL has made their share of mistakes. Remember Toothless T-Rex from the Jurassic Park Collection? But they reprinted the booklets and made them available. They have taken those extra steps to correct issues.
Varese, on the other hand, seems to take an opposite approach. It seems as though we're just expected to deal with it, shut up, and "it's just music".
The discussion-turned-heated debate over in the seaQuest/Running Man thread (a conversation in which I participated) is a great example. It started out with the omission of the TV version of the theme (which is on the original release). Then it came out that the first several tracks on Disc 2 are credited to the wrong episode. Then, it came out that all the images were from Season 2 in a Season 1 set.
Most of us were pretty objective in expressing our disappointment and frustration (I think the worst I said was that it seemed like Varese got "lazy" with the release but then said maybe "careless" was a better word), but the "as close to official" responses that we got were heavily skewed toward "hey other labels mess up so give us a break" (I'm paraphrasing here). Since two of the responders were actually involved in the album's production, I took the opportunity to ask some specific questions that could clarify things for us (y'know..."us"...the people buying the albums).
To date, most of those questions have gone unacknowledged, which is disappointing.
I know it's not just Varese. I know Intrada and LLL have gotten their feathers ruffled on here too, and sometimes, yes, it's been triggered by some members getting pretty pissy about things. However, it just seems to be a more frequent occurrence with Varese.
I'm probably going to catch flak from some for this next part, so I want to be clear and up-front that I have the utmost respect for the hard work labels and their teams put into these releases. So many film score dreams have come true for me because of them, and I offer them my sincerest thanks for all their efforts. I also know that the membership of this board is a bit more unique than other online communities in that there's a significant number of industry insiders and professionals are regular posters (MV, Roger, Ford, Mike, etc.), so some stuff can't help but be taken like a personal attack/insult at times. We're all human, and let's be honest--pretty much everyone's nerves are fried at this point.
That being said, not all of us are insiders. I would guess that many of us (maybe even the majority?) are simply film score fans and customers. We have questions. We have personal opinions. We seek to discuss those opinions and questions with each other. Personally, I feel that most of the time we're not insulting, rude, or offensive about it. But lately, it really seems like some of those insiders--especially when they're connected to the album being discussed--can get excessively defensive and, at times, antagonistic. Speaking for myself, that deters me from wanting to openly share my thoughts.
And this is the part where I might get blasted (and I'm going to close on this part too): Sometimes, I think it gets forgotten that we're not only fellow fans but customers as well and, if you're going to speak on behalf of the business or project, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a bit more professionalism. Even if the regular joe members are being trolls, be the more respectful party and stop telling us to get over it, we're not the only ones to make mistakes, this theme has been available on iTunes for 25 years so go download that, etc. (and yeah that last one is about seaQuest). Just calmly tell the person that they're being antagonistic and don't bother engaging with them. If they're really just throwing a tantrum, people will ignore them and move on.
Again, I just want to make it clear that my words are not intended to be disrespectful. They are, however, how I feel about the current trend in responding to members' issues, frustrations, complaints, etc. about albums.
This is a fair response. I know for me I’ve gotten tired of the perpetual gushing that goes on from some members about the labels and the sucking up that occurs to some of the “professionals” that come on here to scold us to be grateful is downright embarrassing. I won’t name names, but you know who you are. What’s even worse is most of the people that worship at the altar of these “professionals” don’t ever seem to get a direct response. It’s horrific to watch but like a car accident, you can’t help but watch.
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Jul 8, 2020 - 9:52 AM
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JGouse0498
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This is a fair response. I know for me I’ve gotten tired of the perpetual gushing that goes on from some members about the labels and the sucking up that occurs to some of the “professionals” that come on here to scold us to be grateful is downright embarrassing. I won’t name names, but you know who you are. What’s even worse is most of the people that worship at the altar of these “professionals” don’t ever seem to get a direct response. It’s horrific to watch but like a car accident, you can’t help but watch..
The gushing doesn't bother me. Honestly, they do deserve praise and accolade for many of the projects they produce.
In terms of getting a direct response, personally, I think Intrada and LLL do a great job in addressing questions. Sometimes it takes a few days, but scroll through the LLL Questions thread and you'll see MV hammering out multiple consecutive posts that answer questions. (EDIT: Like he did late last night/early morning)
My best friend is a supervisor for one of the customer service departments in a major international company, so for years now I've heard stories about customers going off-the-rails and being disrespectful or non-constructively critical. It's frustrating for her. I imagine the labels feel the same--if not even more so because they're smaller companies and more hands-on involved.
At the same time though, it's not like my friend can snap back at those customers. She still has to be professional and remember she represents a company addressing a consumer. When she gets off the phone or finishes the e-mail, then she can say whatever clapback comes to mind! LOL
That's probably why some of the "scolding" (as you put it) irritates me. It really bugged me that I was told to just buy and download the 25 y/o version of the seaQuest theme on MP3. I love that theme and was so disappointed it didn't get remastered. The alternates just aren't the same. Yet when I directly asked "is there a reason why it wasn't included and should I not get my hopes up for it in Volume 2"--never got an answer.
My issues with Varese aren't just here either. I ordered two discs during the sale, and they were shipped in a flimsy corrugated cardboard mailer. Family Plot came with a totally broken case. Thankfully, the disc was fine. I received an LLL order the same day from the same postal service, and the disc was safe inside a padded mailer. I e-mailed photos to Varese and requested a shipping refund--even pointing out that others on here had the same broken case experience.
I didn't hear back from them until this morning, and that's only because I sent a second e-mail that pointed out it's been eight days without a response. Copied and pasted the original e-mail and reattached the photos. An hour later, I got a response with the refund pending.
If I hadn't e-mailed again, I likely would have never gotten a reply.
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Jul 9, 2020 - 8:57 AM
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JGouse0498
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Yes, the track list says:
25. Finally Home
26. Home Safe
27. Theme from The Haunting
28. Finally Home (Album Version)
The actual tracks are:
25. Finally Home
26. Theme from The Haunting / Home Safe
27. Finally Home (Album Version)
It took them 20 years and a re-issue to "fix" The Serpent and the Rainbow, so I'm not tholding my breathe! :-)
And while creating a digital replacement was a nice gesture, it's not a fix.
Well I can tell you they never fixed the physical version because I just checked my disc, and there's 28 tracks listed on it. I didn't notice because I rip all my discs to MP3, and, when I did The Haunting, Windows Media Player automatically pulled down the correct track titles from whatever source they use. For reference, I bought the album on April 28 of this year, so it's from their current inventory.
Like I said earlier, other labels at least make attempts to correct things.
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