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I only own 100-something LPs and a turntable that isn't connected yet (and not that type of High End player that my dad has), but I've heard what vinyl is capable of anno 2021, and it's pretty amazing.
And just what exactly could vinyl possibly be capable of what a CD or a 24bit/196khz file is not capable of?
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And just what exactly could vinyl possibly be capable of what a CD or a 24bit/196khz file is not capable of?
You seem to assume that crystal-clear digital sound is good for everything. I don't agree with that. There are certain types of scores or albums that benefit from a warmer, less dynamic range.
So why did the composer/producer/recording engineer would then master a less warm, more dynamic range? I would want to hear the music the way the artists want the music to be heard. Would be a piece of cake to let any CD or 24bit/196khz file sound JUST like a vinyl recording IF that benefited the music.
What would prevent anyone to master a "warmer", less dynamic range recording if that particular album benefited from that sound.
It's NO problem AT ALL for a CD or a 24bit/196khz file to have the dynamic range of an 8-track tape, in fact, I have recordings from the 1930s on CD and as FLAC files that do NOT have a high dynamic range (and would benefit from one). What does that have to do with the medium? It's no problem to have "warm" or "less dynamic" recordings on high resolution FLAC. Why should that be a problem?
There is NOTHING a vinyl recording can do that a CD or a 24bit/196khz cannot do, that is bullshit. You can even get a CD or 24bit/196khz to sound exactly like an LP if that's your goal.
My question of "what exactly could vinyl possibly be capable of what a CD or a 24bit/196khz file is not capable of?" is the same as if you had said it's amazing what 50 Dollars can buy you in 2021 and I ask "what exactly could 50 Dollars possibly be capable of buying that 500 Dollars are not capable of buying?"
There is nothing 50 Dollars can buy that I could not also buy with 500 Dollars, and there is nothing that a vinyl record sounds like that a CD or 24bit/196khz file could not also sound like.
Vinyl is a medium that INTERFERES with the music. One may like the interference, one may like that vinyl alters the actual original sound, that's fine. One may also like when somebody eats chips next to one in the philharmonic hall. But it is just bullshit to claim vinyl has ANY sonic capabilities that a CD or a 24bit/196khz cannot match or better. Because you could easily add the sonic limitations to a digital file, you could easily let any digital 24bit/196khz sound JUST as if it were a vinyl by lessening the fidelity and adding certain sounds. No problemo. And if the producers of the recording would think it benefited the recording, they would have likely done so.
Really, espousing vinyl as far as sound quality goes over CD or 24bit/196khz files is the equivalent of espousing 50 Dollars over 500 Dollars because 50 Dollars can buy you amazing stuff.
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Again, it depends on the album and type of music. Sometimes, it sounds better on CD. Sometimes on vinyl. And sometimes, each have something different to offer. It’s a case by case basis.
Nope, not at all. Again, that is utter bullshit. Or it is not saying anything at all. "Sometimes, it sounds better on CD. Sometimes on vinyl. And sometimes, each have something different to offer. It’s a case by case basis.?"
Come on!
That is absolut bullshit nonsense and I am calling it out!
I am claiming that is the equivalent of saying: "Sometimes 50 Dollars can buy more than 500 Dollars, sometimes 500 Dollars can buy more than 50 Dollars. And sometimes, each have different to offer." Even though everyone knows 500 Dollars can buy the exact same thing as 50 Dollars, except you still have then 450 Dollars left.
And I stand by it.
What could a vinyl record possibly have to offer sonically that you could NOT reproduce or capture on a CD/24-bit/96kHz file if so desired. Please name it. What? Name it. There is nothing. Please give just ONE example of a piece of music -- or any other sound -- a vinyl recording could reproduce that a CD/24-bit/96kHz cannot match? I assume you know it is NO problem at all to name examples of pieces of music -- or any other sounds -- that CD/24-bit/96kHz recordings can reproduce in a fashion vinyl cannot match. But what sounds can vinyl reproduce that could not be recreated on a CD/24-bit/196kH file if so desired? Please tell us.
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Zimmer's True Romance score. Available on vinyl only.
Now there's a compelling argument against vinyl! 
It's better than "Ellington", at least.
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Apr 17, 2021 - 4:14 PM
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What could a vinyl record possibly have to offer sonically that you could NOT reproduce or capture on a CD/24-bit/96kHz file if so desired. Please name it. What? Name it. There is nothing. Please give just ONE example of a piece of music -- or any other sound -- a vinyl recording could reproduce that a CD/24-bit/96kHz cannot match? I assume you know it is NO problem at all to name examples of pieces of music -- or any other sounds -- that . But what sounds can vinyl reproduce that could not be recreated on a CD/24-bit/196kH file if so desired? Please tell us.
Blessed are those who don't measure the quality of things with just cold numbers. I know that for many people it's the "logical" thing to do and it's convenient but not everything can be measured in a lab - or it can be measured in a lab and found lacking and still doesn't feel wrong. The answer to your question is the word "humanity" but I'm afraid you won't find it satisfactory at all. What I call "human" is "distortion" to you and on paper you're right because that's what the cold numbers say. Mind you, this comes from a guy who has heard again and again some of the top CD players in the world from manufacturers like EMM Labs, dCS, Burmester, Meridian, McIntosh, Wadia, you name it. I would gladly live with some of those digital beasts (and I do, of course, live happily with one such - smaller - beast!) but the truth is, sooner or later they almost always showed me their cold side (their hearts made of 1s and 0s...) and digital fatigue in prolonged listening sessions was punctual on the rendezvous... If this is the "truth" in audio reproduction because "CD/24-bit/96kHz recordings can reproduce in a fashion vinyl cannot match" then I guess "I can't handle the truth" (...) and I'm just a sentimental (and a little grumpy) old-timer. Well, so be it. (And in any case, ask yourself: do we always need that fashion in our everyday music listening?...)
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What could a vinyl record possibly have to offer sonically that you could NOT reproduce or capture on a CD/24-bit/96kHz file if so desired. Please name it. What? Name it. There is nothing. Please give just ONE example of a piece of music -- or any other sound -- a vinyl recording could reproduce that a CD/24-bit/96kHz cannot match? I assume you know it is NO problem at all to name examples of pieces of music -- or any other sounds -- that . But what sounds can vinyl reproduce that could not be recreated on a CD/24-bit/196kH file if so desired? Please tell us.
Blessed are those who don't measure the quality of things with just cold numbers. I know that for many people it's the "logical" thing to do and it's convenient but not everything can be measured in a lab - or it can be measured in a lab and found lacking and still doesn't feel wrong. The answer to your question is the word "humanity" but I'm afraid you won't find it satisfactory at all.
No, it's actually the esoteric "not saying anything" cop out answer I would expect from people who cling to vinyl as a "superior" medium but who scatter about like rats in the night as soon as you put a flashlight on their claims and try to investigate or verify them.
I got no problem with whatever anyone likes or prefers. That's just fine. You can hail 78s shellacs as your ultimo-listening fulfillment, whatever.
But if you claim there are sonic advantages to the medium of 78s or vinyl LPs over FLAC/ALAC files (instead of say, psychological ones if you are so inclined), yes, you have to be prepared to provide some evidence, you have to be prepared to go beyond the GREMLINS' "Do you hear what I hear" routine. Or you can just as well claim the Earth is flat or the Moon is made or cheese. Perhaps you will even find open ears. Perhaps you will believe it and find those who will believe with you; the world, it seems, is ready for such bullshit. I am not.
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Apr 17, 2021 - 5:26 PM
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Last Child
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I am also checking second hand stores for old recordings and wanted to ask you what scores do you think are worthy to own on vinyl. I am pretty sure, I already own them on CD but I am curious about listening to them on vinyl, so please recommend me your favorites ones.
Also, I realized there is a lot of reissue nowadays like "Batman", "Tie me up, tie me down", "Dick Tracy", some of the John Barry's James Bond scores. In that case, which version is better to get? Thanks, any help on this matter would be appreciate.
Obviously the original poster isn't worried about vinyl sonic specs since he already has the CDs, but the thread indicates he's still hand-wringing over "which version is better to get?" If sound quality isn't the issue, then what is the NEW criteria? Which tracks were chosen for the limited space on an LP? How they were arranged? Which album has the best artwork? Which has [gulp] better sound? If you have to ask like you're planning a vacation instead of getting music you like, then enjoying music isn't simpler just because it's analog.
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I have been tempted several times to buy one of these releases, like THE THING or PHASE IV, simply because I love the look of them. Cannot comment on their pressing or sound quality.
https://waxworkrecords.com/collections/vinyl?page=3
Also, I actually own the original LP for THE THING already (an MCA pressing from France, which sounds quite good), which has one of my all time favorite soundtrack covers, so I stopped myself in time.
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Apr 18, 2021 - 3:35 AM
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JohnnyG
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What could a vinyl record possibly have to offer sonically that you could NOT reproduce or capture on a CD/24-bit/96kHz file if so desired. Please name it. What? Name it. There is nothing. Please give just ONE example of a piece of music -- or any other sound -- a vinyl recording could reproduce that a CD/24-bit/96kHz cannot match? I assume you know it is NO problem at all to name examples of pieces of music -- or any other sounds -- that . But what sounds can vinyl reproduce that could not be recreated on a CD/24-bit/196kH file if so desired? Please tell us.
Blessed are those who don't measure the quality of things with just cold numbers. I know that for many people it's the "logical" thing to do and it's convenient but not everything can be measured in a lab - or it can be measured in a lab and found lacking and still doesn't feel wrong. The answer to your question is the word "humanity" but I'm afraid you won't find it satisfactory at all.
No, it's actually the esoteric "not saying anything" cop out answer I would expect from people who cling to vinyl as a "superior" medium but who scatter about like rats in the night as soon as you put a flashlight on their claims and try to investigate or verify them.
I got no problem with whatever anyone likes or prefers. That's just fine. You can hail 78s shellacs as your ultimo-listening fulfillment, whatever.
But if you claim there are sonic advantages to the medium of 78s or vinyl LPs over FLAC/ALAC files (instead of say, psychological ones if you are so inclined), yes, you have to be prepared to provide some evidence, you have to be prepared to go beyond the GREMLINS' "Do you hear what I hear" routine. Or you can just as well claim the Earth is flat or the Moon is made or cheese. Perhaps you will even find open ears. Perhaps you will believe it and find those who will believe with you; the world, it seems, is ready for such bullshit. I am not.
Interesting that you chose to ignore the other two thirds of my post where I wrote about digital fatigue and you went on ranting against shellac disc hailers and cheeto-Moon worshippers. Do you think I'm such a buffoon? You think I don't appreciate CD's lower noise floor, for example? Or, for that matter, the cornucopia of eye-popping colours that Blu-Ray material fills my TV screen with? (Yeah, shockingly for you, I haven't stuck to VHS video...!) I'm well aware of the advantages of digital sound, it serves me well every day but there are still lots (and lots!) of enjoyment coming from vinyl LPs and I find their sound more relaxed ("human") at higher volumes for long periods of time - CDs are of course crisper and more detailed in lower volumes. I know a thing or two about technology and I can enjoy both analog and digital sound - depending on the material and my mood. 
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Interesting that you chose to ignore the other two thirds of my post where I wrote about digital fatigue and you went on ranting against shellac disc hailers and cheeto-Moon worshippers. Do you think I'm such a buffoon? You think I don't appreciate CD's lower noise floor, for example? Or, for that matter, the cornucopia of eye-popping colours that Blu-Ray material fills my TV screen with? (Yeah, shockingly for you, I haven't stuck to VHS video...!) I'm well aware of the advantages of digital sound, it serves me well every day but there are still lots (and lots!) of enjoyment coming from vinyl LPs and I find their sound more relaxed ("human") at higher volumes for long periods of time - CDs are of course crisper and more detailed in lower volumes. I know a thing or two about technology and I can enjoy both analog and digital sound - depending on the material and my mood.
And I have repeatedly pointed out that my issue with vinyl is not that people enjoy vinyl recordings. Lots of people obviously do. Even I do at times. I'm happy when people enjoy music and I'm happy when they enjoy vinyl recordings. I've got LPs myself and owned several turntables over the years.
My issue is with when people directly claim or indirectly imply that vinyl as a medium offers any sonic (not psychological) advantages over digital files. And yes, I call that out.
Because the things people seem to enjoy about vinyl -- elevated middle, lower bass, lower heights, less dynamic range, surface noise, etc. -- could easily be replicated on digital files by the producers of recordings. They are not an inherent advantage of the medium itself, but a limitation, and it would be no problem at all to get digital files to sound just like a vinyl recording. It's fine if you like your music represented that way, again: I have no issue at all with people enjoying vinyl recordings.
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Maybe vinyl is "hotter" after all... 
