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 Posted:   May 1, 2021 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I'm interpreting the premise here is that the score has to be both excellent and coupled to a very well regarded film. Additional examples would be:

David Raksin -- THE BAD AND THE BEAUTIFUL
Bronislau Kaper -- GREEN DOLPHIN STREET

That being said, there are Raksin and Kaper scores I like better, but the accompanying films aren't in the "great" category. The Goldsmith curse...

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2021 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I don't think there is a single best, but these are among the best...

Citizen Kane
Ben-Hur
Lawrence of Arabia
Psycho
A Man For All Seasons
Kwaidan
Romeo & Juliet
(1967)
The Lion in Winter
OHMSS
Patton
Nicholas & Alexandra
Chinatown
Superman
Alien
(even though the score was mostly ruined)
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Blade Runner
The Road Warrior
First Blood
Ghostbusters
Ran
Braveheart
The Red Violin
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2021 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   jkruppa   (Member)

This far down the thread and no one else has mentioned Lawrence of Arabia by Maurice Jarre?

....

And Blade Runner by Vangelis


While I have thought since day one that Blade Runner is a flawed film, it's got such incredible mise-en-scene that its faults seem irrelevant. And the Vangelis score is one I'm way too familiar with, having spent a couple of years reconstructing the music as it was used in the film, but I agree: it would be a much different film without that music.

I would include the following in my list of great film/great scores:

Herrmann - Vertigo & Psycho
Jarre - Lawrence of Arabia
Williams - Empire/Raiders/ET (what a run!)
Goldsmith - Chinatown

I also think Toru Takemitsu's score for Kwaidan is brilliant, a perfect compliment to the stunning visuals. And though some might disagree with me, I think Fantastic Planet is a great (though weird) movie, with a great (though weird) score.

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2021 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Alfred Newman: WUTHERING HEIGHTS

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2021 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Jurassic Park
Inception
Indiana Jones & the Temple of Doom
Aliens
Predator
The 13th Warrior

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2021 - 5:41 PM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

Jurassic Park
Inception
Indiana Jones & the Temple of Doom
Aliens
Predator
The 13th Warrior


Interesting choices. Especially Predator. I love that score but I never thought it as Silvestri's best. Maybe you are right.

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2021 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Predator has just become an absolute classic in my eyes as it gets older. I find the film to be an absolute joy to watch and the score is damn near iconic. You can still hear bits of it today in John Debney’s ORVILLE scores and Silvestri’s recent THE WITCHES

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2021 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   Don Norman   (Member)

. Ben-Hur main titles,
. Lawrence of Arabia main titles
My choices of best scores in their best films for Miklos Rozsa and Maurice Jarre.

 
 Posted:   May 2, 2021 - 6:53 PM   
 By:   Valiant65   (Member)

The Black Stallion composed by Carmine Coppola (along with some help.)

October Sky composed by Mark Isham. I also love his Mrs. Soffel score but October Sky is a better film and that score is fantastic.

 
 Posted:   May 2, 2021 - 11:49 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)


For Alexandre Desplat: GIRL WITH A PEARL EARRING
For Jerry Fielding: THE WILD BUNCH
For James Horner: STAR TREK II - THE WRATH OF KHAN
For Jerome Moross: THE BIG COUNTRY
For Ennio Morricone: ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST
For Max Steiner: THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE



Wow! This almost never happens on this board with this many titles, but I agree 100% with your choices. I knew Desplat was a force to reckoned with when I first saw GIRL WITH A PEARL EARRING and I was not wrong...still my favorite Desplat despite many stellar scores. THE WILD BUNCH, one of my top 10 all-time favorite films and definitely my fave Western. Fieldings's score? His masterpiece.
As far as Morricone, GBU is probably my fave score, but OUATITW is the "best" film with the score that is is perfect.

Some others:
Miklos Rozsa: BEN-HUR natch. But I think EL CID is better musically. Despite the film being a personal fave, I know it has problems. I still love it.

Goldsmith is really tough. I guess I would give the edge to THE SAND PEBBLES, but I might have a different answer next week.

John Barry: WALKABOUT
Bernard Herrmann: THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL
Elmer Bernstein: TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD (Another tough choice, But I gotta go with the crowd on this one)
Bill Conti: THE RIGHT STUFF
Bruce Broughton: TOMBSTONE
Tangerine Dream: SORCEROR
Dimitri Tiomkin: LOST HORIZON
LEONARD ROSENMAN: A MAN CALLED HORSE (I'm sure I'll get flak for this one, but I think it's awesome)

 
 Posted:   May 3, 2021 - 12:27 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

This far down the thread and no one else has mentioned Lawrence of Arabia by Maurice Jarre?

That is the best example I can imagine for this thread, though I agree with many (and disagree with some) of the others listed so far.

I'll add another: Emerald Forest by Junior Homrich.

And Blade Runner by Vangelis


Definitely yes to BLADE RUNNER and LAWRENCE Of ARABIA. Just two of the best movies I have ever seen with scores that the composers have never topped.

Also Jerome Moross: THE BIG COUNTRY

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2021 - 12:36 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

My brain implodes with such topics, so I'm unable to answer. Wouldn't the "best" film in a composer's filmography also have his "best" (or at least one of his best) scores? Are there examples of a composer who has this shining beacon of a film on his resume, yet where his score is bad, or considerably worse than his work for lesser films on his resume? (I consistently say 'his' here, but I also encompass 'her', of course). I can't think of any off the top of my head.

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2021 - 12:53 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Yup, Jerry Fielding: THE WILD BUNCH. The film is a total classic, & for me, Fielding's best score.

 
 Posted:   May 3, 2021 - 1:30 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

My brain implodes with such topics, so I'm unable to answer. Wouldn't the "best" film in a composer's filmography also have his "best" (or at least one of his best) scores? Are there examples of a composer who has this shining beacon of a film on his resume, yet where his score is bad, or considerably worse than his work for lesser films on his resume? (I consistently say 'his' here, but I also encompass 'her', of course). I can't think of any off the top of my head.

To offer a possible example (and to prevent your brain from imploding, as there are so many variables one can weigh in):
L.A. CONFIDENTIAL

This is -- in my opinion -- no doubt one of the very best movies Jerry Goldsmith has ever scored. Now the "On the Waterfront" inspired score for the film is of typical Goldsmith excellence, and so is the selection of contemporary music, which is also important in the film, but from a standalone listening point, Goldsmith has written meatier, more powerful scores that were written for lesser films.

When people list the "best" scores by Jerry Goldsmith, L.A. CONFIDENTIAL probably would not be in the top ten, but in a list of the best movies Goldsmith has ever scored, it probably would be.

 
 Posted:   May 3, 2021 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Yup, Jerry Fielding: THE WILD BUNCH. The film is a total classic, & for me, Fielding's best score.

This. And first thing i thought of when i saw topic heading.

Defo jarre Lawrence of arabia.
North - spartacus
Rota - godfather
Williams - schindlers list or Raiders (not comparable movies but Raiders is a wonderful example of its genre)
Goldsmith - patton.
Bernstein - Magnificent Seven
Barry - dances with wolves
Schifrin - Cool hand luke
Rozsa - Ben Hur.
Ron Goodwin- where eagles dare

Morricone is tough. Probly GBU but lots of candidates.
The mission. OuaritWest. OuatiAmerica

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2021 - 1:34 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

Jurassic Park
Inception
Indiana Jones & the Temple of Doom
Aliens
Predator
The 13th Warrior


The 13th Warrior is a fun B-movie, to say it's the best film Goldsmith ever scored is, well quite ludicrous

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2021 - 1:46 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

To offer a possible example (and to prevent your brain from imploding, as there are so many variables one can weigh in):
L.A. CONFIDENTIAL

This is -- in my opinion -- no doubt one of the very best movies Jerry Goldsmith has ever scored. Now the "On the Waterfront" inspired score for the film is of typical Goldsmith excellence, and so is the selection of contemporary music, which is also important in the film, but from a standalone listening point, Goldsmith has written meatier, more powerful scores that were written for lesser films.

When people list the "best" scores by Jerry Goldsmith, L.A. CONFIDENTIAL probably would not be in the top ten, but in a list of the best movies Goldsmith has ever scored, it probably would be.


Thanks. I would argue, though, that most people find it to be an excellent score (even among his best in the 90s), so not really 'considerably worse' than scores he's done for lesser movies. There's not a huge gap there, between the quality of the film and the quality of the score, even if it rarely features on a fan "top 10". But yeah -- I suppose we're getting closer.

 
 Posted:   May 3, 2021 - 2:19 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

To offer a possible example (and to prevent your brain from imploding, as there are so many variables one can weigh in):
L.A. CONFIDENTIAL

This is -- in my opinion -- no doubt one of the very best movies Jerry Goldsmith has ever scored. Now the "On the Waterfront" inspired score for the film is of typical Goldsmith excellence, and so is the selection of contemporary music, which is also important in the film, but from a standalone listening point, Goldsmith has written meatier, more powerful scores that were written for lesser films.

When people list the "best" scores by Jerry Goldsmith, L.A. CONFIDENTIAL probably would not be in the top ten, but in a list of the best movies Goldsmith has ever scored, it probably would be.


Thanks. I would argue, though, that most people find it to be an excellent score (even among his best in the 90s), so not really 'considerably worse' than scores he's done for lesser movies. There's not a huge gap there, between the quality of the film and the quality of the score, even if it rarely features on a fan "top 10". But yeah -- I suppose we're getting closer.


Yes, I did not want to be disparaging of Goldsmith's score for L.A. CONFIDENTIAL, it's a very good score that works well in the film it was written for, it was nominated for an Academy Award, I like it, too. It's an excellent score. (So is the similarly themed but lower profile CITY HALL.) I did not mean at all that the score is "is bad, or considerably worse than his work for lesser films on his resume". But I would not say it is a "better" score than the music for DEEP RISING or HOLLOW MAN or STAR TREK: NEMESIS or THE 13TH WARRIOR, but I would certainly say that L.A. CONFIDENTIAL is a much better movie than any of those.

As I noted, the difference would probably be visible if people listed the 10 best all time Goldsmith scores or the 10 best all time Goldsmith scored movies. In case of, say, LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, I'm pretty sure it would show up on both such lists if it were done for Maurice Jarre.

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2021 - 3:00 AM   
 By:   Laurent-Watteau   (Member)

Williams : JAWS

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2021 - 3:07 AM   
 By:   Laurent-Watteau   (Member)

Denny Zeitlin : Invasion of the body snatchers (OK, that's cheating a little bit... big grin but it's a great score, for a great film).

 
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