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 Posted:   Apr 22, 2022 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Ok this post is fine, glad to have it, but what I need is a post on the composer trading cards!

Ask and you shall receive. wink

https://www.lukaskendall.com/post/fsm-collector-cards


Oh my god, I completely missed out on this when it was released.

Clearly, we need an expanded edition!!!

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2022 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

I must confess, that even as a label owner, I am guilty of this as well. However, it's on the project clearance side and my comments are directed at studio lawyers.

"Wow, thank you so much for clearing that project for us...any news on the five others I put in a request for?"

I'm such an ungrateful brat. Lol

MV

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2022 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

I must confess, that even as a label owner, I am guilty of this as well. However, it's on the project clearance side and my comments are directed at studio lawyers.

"Wow, thank you so much for clearing that project for us...any news on the five others I put in a request for?"

I'm such an ungrateful brat. Lol

MV


HAHAHAH! Oh yeah I used to do this to them ALL the time. They'd say, "Come on, let's get this one done first..."

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2022 - 11:24 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

"We need food, shelter, companionship. We need a Leonard Rosenman CD—really?"

Food? Pork Chop Hill, check!
Shelter? Edge of the City which is East of Eden, check, check!
Companionship? Convicts 4, (double) check!

We still need more Leonard Rosenman soundtracks.

We need the OWNERS of this music to love such music as much as we do.

We need the human beings who don't love the music that we love to be sentenced for execution.

We need more collectors of Jerry Goldsmith bottlecaps to love the music by Leonard Rosenman.

Discuss! big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2022 - 3:43 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I'm close to being gone/just a lurker from here now, due to the complete lack of chat or discussion about new - or old - CDs and scores, once they've been released, unless it's a Star Wars/Trek or Bond score.
It's depressing to see that the only threads that flame - other than the above three - are usually down to some childish bickering that's going on within.
It just becomes a waste of ones time.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2022 - 3:43 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Dwoop!!

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2022 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Well, this is a message board, obviously, people are free to create new topics or participate in the topics relevant to them as they see fit. Not everybody comes here for the same kind of discussions, obviously, and I find interesting to know why people come here and post (and even initiated a thread myself exploring that topic: https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=141678&forumID=1&archive=0 )

Anyway, I admit: if a film score I really enjoy is released (or re-released), and I'm happy with the CD... well, I don't find much to discuss. And I suspect many people feel likewise. Hey, if someone else finds something new or interesting to say about any (film score related) CD release, I'm sure it's welcome here.

Take the recent Intrada THE SANB PEBBLES. The score itself is terrific, I'm happy to see it re-released (though I already own several versions of it, so I'm not really going to "re-buy" this again), yet I don't see much to discuss. Because I couldn't think of anything "new" to say about it, nor do I expect lots of "new" things to come up in a conversation. It's a great score (in my opinion), and if others don't like it, that's fine by me too (I really don't care), but what is there to "discuss"? (At least after 25 years of Internet/Usenet discussion forum participation.) Intrada re-released it, there may be some slight sonic improvements why people would consider re-buying it, others may be introduced to the score for the first time... all of this I see discussed in the thread of the release. And that is just an example.

I don't think people don't enjoy the CDs or music just because they don't all flock to discuss it. If I enjoy "new" music, scores I'm unfamiliar with (film or classical), and I really like the music, I'm interested in background information of the film/composition/composer etc., stuff that is NOT in the music, because the music speaks for itself. Much of this information I get from book(let)s or various Internet sites. Occasionally from message board discussions.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2022 - 5:23 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

If a film score I really enjoy is released (or re-released), and I'm happy with the CD... well, I don't find much to discuss.

I agree in a way because I am not a professional arranger, so it is not always easy to write about the music in an intelligent way. Sometimes I don't know if I am hearing cornet or trumpet, clarinet or oboe, etc

But at the same time sometimes different editions have completely different track listings, but nothing is discussed by the labels or the members of this forum. A recent re-released had the mention "different programme", so I bookmarked the thread to understand what that means, but I don't think anyone who orderer the new edition bothered replying.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2022 - 5:25 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

It just becomes a waste of ones time.

Welcome to the internet. I think the lack of discussion on things not Star Trek (for example) is just an indication on how few of us care about film music and it appears to be dwindling.

I think I reached "peak film music" ten years ago. In the time since then, I probably play 5% of my collection 90% of the time. I am listening to other genres, too. After a couple decades in this forum, I still generally visit daily but I don't see much reason to post very often. (Of the sites I visited regularly from the late '90s, this and Amazon are probably the only two that have a hold on me, or even still exist for that matter.)

I've checked out some other music forums like Steve Hoffman's site, which is basically a bunch of perfectionists that don't like anything or want to act like their love of excessive dynamic range or finding that perfect LP pressing makes them superior to others. Reddit music subs seem like they're either empty or a firehouse of random garbage that is almost impossible to sort through. I can't stand Facebook's presentation of discussions, so I don't even try to use that.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that at least this forum retains the potential for good discussion. We have some industry folks who haven't been scared away and can give some good info. There are still some very (IMO) interesting releases happening (e.g. Black Patch). I'm fine with all topics not being a "flaming" success. It is nice to see that there's still a decent number of people sort of lurking here even though we might not find a need to post even on a monthly basis.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2022 - 6:28 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)


I guess what I'm trying to say is that at least this forum retains the potential for good discussion. We have some industry folks who haven't been scared away and can give some good info. There are still some very (IMO) interesting releases happening (e.g. Black Patch). I'm fine with all topics not being a "flaming" success. It is nice to see that there's still a decent number of people sort of lurking here even though we might not find a need to post even on a monthly basis.


Well said, that's how I see this. The potential for good discussion is here, and if you want to start a discussion you really feel passionate about, just do it. Even if it won't "flame", you might still get some interesting comments and responses.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2022 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   Peter Atterberg   (Member)

So I make it an effort to focus my discussions on the current release in the new release threads. I actually find great pleasure in going back and reflecting on the releases that meant a lot to me more than talking about the unreleased stuff I still want (which is much smaller list mind you).

Drop Zone, Broken Arrow, Speed, and others are scores I still listen to literally monthly and have been for years. I was so excited when Quarter released Drop Zone that I couldn't even think to talk about something else. These releases require countless hours of work and I'm sure some frustration. Let's be glad to have each one.

And about the score releases that I love. I literally watched Speed countless times just to hear the music. When LLL released their Lethal Weapon set I literally jumped in joy. I STILL listen to that set weekly since its release. Till this day I am amazed at how beautiful that set turned out. I have gotten such great pleasure at creating my own best of playlists compromising of my favorite tracks from each film.

That said, I understand people's want for the next thing and I know for me it doesn't come from a place of not appreciating the current release. When LLL released Die Another Day, I got my hopes up big. Die Another Day is a fine piece of work but my favorite Bond scores in GoldenEye, Tomorrow Never Dies, Moonraker, AVTAK, etc finally had hopes of seeing proper expansions. My all time favorite piece of Bond music (Archives Shootout and Tank Chase cue in GoldenEye) is literally collecting dust somewhere possibly because some folks who don't even know the music exist will not give it a green light or the financials aren't right. Hell, give it to me in digital format, I don't care. As long as the quality of the music is the same I'll take digital or CD release. The music from those Bond films shaped my childhood. I bought Die Another Day and The World is Not Enough because I like the music and also because I wanted to support the releases in the hopes that my favorite Bond scores might be next.

I fully appreciated and enjoyed TWINE and DAD from LLL but they weren't my personal favorites for releases. Hence, I was hoping for other Bond scores down the line and these releases only strengthened my hope. It's been a bummer to see that train slow down for whatever reason it has slowed down.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2022 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

One could always initiate discussions about what one would like discussed instead of initiating discussions about the absence of such a discussion.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2022 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


My follow-up to yesterday—

https://www.lukaskendall.com/post/you-re-killing-me-here

lk

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2022 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   Laurent-Watteau   (Member)

The explanation of this attitude can be found in "The Banquet" of Plato. Especially the speeches of Aristophanes and Socrates. Schopenhauer, also : "“Life swings like a pendulum backward and forward between pain and boredom.”

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2022 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

The explanation of this attitude can be found in "The Banquet" of Plato.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2022 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Then there are those who never even give a thought to the business realities of putting out some of these soundtracks. They are happy to point out flaws, bitch about what "should" have been on the release but wasn't, or make demands on what they'd like to see next. Some just seem totally disconnected from reality, demanding that some label is put in all the cash and man hours to create a release only twelve people will buy.

My response would be, sure, you put up all the cash and we'll do it. smile


Damned straight. Then we'd hear crickets. Well...probably not. wink

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2022 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

It’s all about dopamine.
Whether it’s the announcement of the product or actually getting it in the mail there is a rush of dopamine. The same hormone that makes people think that they are having a divine experience during worship or devouring a slice of double chocolate cake. As soon as the experience is over there is a drive to experience it again. It causes collectors to amass huge collections. It has nothing to do with not appreciating the work that went into the making the CD or even a the worthiness of the next recording that is request. It’s all about the quest for the next hit of dopamine.
As much as we would like think that man is some kind of divine creature we are still animals that respond to stimulus.

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2022 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I would like to add that, in most normal everyday lives, the "we need" mindset of pursuing our creature comforts is the primary factor in helping to separate us from our money.

 
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