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 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 3:24 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

That would've been a first, though, right?

Have an OST and a re-recording of the same score ever been released as part of the same package?


Intrada's "Patton."


There's been quite a few:

The Great Escape
The greatest story Ever Told
Wild Rovers
& lots more.

I do feel there's a difference between an album released with the film & conducted by the composer & one recorded many years later & conducted by someone else.

I suppose with Hook coming, Dracula will have to wait 'till another time/year.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 3:26 AM   
 By:   Redokt64   (Member)

Ordered without hesitation... and picking up FAMILY PLOT as well from a previous batch release. In the Williams mood after the 1941 release a couple of weeks ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 3:27 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I will get this when it gets down to its last couple of 100 not a favourite of mine.

Lyn


About five years ago, I think this would have sold out in 2-3 weeks, it'll be interesting to see how long it takes now.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 3:31 AM   
 By:   Simon Underwood   (Member)

I might pick this up - I watched the film just last week. Good score, but awful, awful movie.

It needed John Williams badly - the dramatic plot, what little there was, was obvious and very melodramatic, and the actual combat was never less than confusing. Putting up titles telling me who and what everything is every other minute doesn't help when all the footage looks the same and then when people are shot seconds later, I can't tell if they're the people I've just been seeing do dialogue or not.

Also, the decision to use original footage was insane. If it wasn't grainy, hard-to-see combat footage making already incomprehensible sequences even worse, it was the laughable sight of real planes landing on ships with brilliant, beautiful sky blue behind them, and then the next shot shows Chuck Heston "watching" them land with grey, dull overcast skies behind him.

Every single stock shot takes you out the film, and just makes the entire thing unbelievable.

BUT the score was good, so I'll maybe grab this one in a little while.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 3:32 AM   
 By:   merlyn   (Member)

I will get this when it gets down to its last couple of 100 not a favourite of mine.

Lyn


About five years ago, I think this would have sold out in 2-3 weeks, it'll be interesting to see how long it takes now.



I agree 5 years ago I would have purchased it without a thought now with so many being released I have to jiggle them and get them only when forced into it

Lyn

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 3:36 AM   
 By:   Miguel Andrade   (Member)

Ordered.

I recently re-discovered it, by listing quite a lot to the previous Varese release and watching the film again. Great score as far as I'm concerned.
But I agree... the film is terrible. I watched the first time years ago, and had a very poor impression of it. This last summer I picked up the DVD again, and had a hard time going through the whole film. Thank God for Williams score to make me watch it till the end.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   agentMaestraX   (Member)

Definately ORDERED!
Waiting along time for this>!
A perfect release without any detractions relating to a 2-cd filler>>!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

re: OST & Re-recording -- don't forget Bullit



 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Like 1941, this was a score that never did anything for me, except the two marches. Just a lot of rumbling suspense music. So I'm content with my old rerecording.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

But I agree... the film is terrible. I watched the first time years ago, and had a very poor impression of it. This last summer I picked up the DVD again, and had a hard time going through the whole film. Thank God for Williams score to make me watch it till the end.

Come on, how can you not love a film when you see in the last shots all these extras in their 70s outfits !!
And I still try to figure out what Jimmy Wang Yu was doing on the Japanese battleship big grin

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

Like 1941, this was a score that never did anything for me, except the two marches. Just a lot of rumbling suspense music. So I'm content with my old rerecording.

I think you would be pleasantly surprised by the '1941' release Thor. I've never seen the film nor had the original release (I was only familiar with 'The March), but it's a lot better than I was even expecting. There's a lot of good Williams on there. And it sounds great.

However, I agree 100% with you on 'Midway'.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Like 1941, this was a score that never did anything for me, except the two marches. Just a lot of rumbling suspense music. So I'm content with my old rerecording.

Thank you for updating us with your high quality form of assholeism. We really needed that.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Like 1941, this was a score that never did anything for me, except the two marches. Just a lot of rumbling suspense music. So I'm content with my old rerecording.

I think you would be pleasantly surprised by the '1941' release Thor. I've never seen the film nor had the original release (I was only familiar with 'The March), but it's a lot better than I was even expecting. There's a lot of good Williams on there. And it sounds great.

However, I agree 100% with you on 'Midway'.


Actually, I think even the original 1941 release is too noisy for my taste. I also have the film on DVD -- another insane noisefest, both in terms of music, sound effects and people constantly screaming -- so this is not my thang.

MIDWAY is the opposite of noisy, but doesn't really have any interesting textures to latch on to.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Frank Vincent   (Member)

Well, the Rerecording seems to still be in print at Colosseum, so I guess they didn't want to cannibalize themselves. Were the THE FURY and DAMIEN re-recordings (and I guess those were the "original soundtrack" albums, weren't they?) still in print when those were included on the later original score recording Deluxe CD sets?

The Fury and Damien: Omen II were indeed re-recordings made at the time of the release. Releasing the original recordings was too expensive at that time to release. So, they rerecorded the music and released it as the original soundtrack album.

This is not the case with Midway. The re-recording was made many years later and should therefore never be released with the original recording.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Nice to see that Varese included the two marches from the 45rpm "soundtrack" that was released with the film. Previously it was only available on a long out-of-print Japanese cd sampling a number of Universal Williams scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

VARESE could have included both the soundtrack and their re-recording on the same CD.

They own it, so including shouldn't have been too much of an issue.

But, sadly they didn't.


Ford A. Thaxton



Luckily for us, they surely didn't consider such a thing, even for a moment.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I'm just happy to get this, finally. Ironically, I got the japanese cd with the two marches six months ago. Still finally, so happy to see this score.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

VARESE could have included both the soundtrack and their re-recording on the same CD.

They own it, so including shouldn't have been too much of an issue.

But, sadly they didn't.


Ford A. Thaxton



Luckily for us, they surely didn't consider such a thing, even for a moment.



And can you explain in a logical manner what the downside would have been for them to include it?

They own it, so it's not like they have to clear it using it?


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Well, the Rerecording seems to still be in print at Colosseum, so I guess they didn't want to cannibalize themselves. Were the THE FURY and DAMIEN re-recordings (and I guess those were the "original soundtrack" albums, weren't they?) still in print when those were included on the later original score recording Deluxe CD sets?

The Fury and Damien: Omen II were indeed re-recordings made at the time of the release. Releasing the original recordings was too expensive at that time to release. So, they rerecorded the music and released it as the original soundtrack album.

This is not the case with Midway. The re-recording was made many years later and should therefore never be released with the original recording.


And where is that written down?

Who sent out the memo saying this?

On what page of The soundtrack fanboy handbook does this rule appear?

:-)


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2011 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

VARESE could have included both the soundtrack and their re-recording on the same CD.

They own it, so including shouldn't have been too much of an issue.

But, sadly they didn't.


Ford A. Thaxton



Luckily for us, they surely didn't consider such a thing, even for a moment.



And can you explain in a logical manner what the downside would have been for them to include it?

They own it, so it's not like they have to clear it using it?


Ford A. Thaxton


Ford, two downsides would be the additional mechanical licensing cost, and possibly upsetting Williams if the Maestro was displeased with the re-recording (I do not know if he would even be aware Varese did it however many years ago).

Lukas

 
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