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VARESE could have included both the soundtrack and their re-recording on the same CD.
They own it, so including shouldn't have been too much of an issue.
But, sadly they didn't.
Ford A. Thaxton
Luckily for us, they surely didn't consider such a thing, even for a moment.
And can you explain in a logical manner what the downside would have been for them to include it?
They own it, so it's not like they have to clear it using it?
Ford A. Thaxton
Ford, two downsides would be the additional mechanical licensing cost, and possibly upsetting Williams if the Maestro was displeased with the re-recording (I do not know if he would even be aware Varese did it however many years ago).
Lukas
even if they were paying FULL RATE, given the price of this release, it MIGHT have cost them perhaps another $6200.00 for the entire run of 3000 units
Of course they cut have cut this cost down by grouping the shorter tracks together and bringing down the number of tracks on the CD.
Or they could have done a 2 CD SET for $24.99 and included and most folks weren't have even bitched.
Whatever the case, they made the choice not to do this.
oh well.
Ford A. Thaxton
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I still would have rather had EIGER SANCTION or JAWS 2.
I'm sure those will make their appearance eventually, but they're clearly starting with the Universal Williams scores that have never seen any release whatsoever, before revisiting those old releases for remasters/expansions. That's fine with me.
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Oct 10, 2011 - 11:09 AM
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VARESE could have included both the soundtrack and their re-recording on the same CD.
They own it, so including shouldn't have been too much of an issue.
But, sadly they didn't.
Ford A. Thaxton
Luckily for us, they surely didn't consider such a thing, even for a moment.
And can you explain in a logical manner what the downside would have been for them to include it?
They own it, so it's not like they have to clear it using it?
Ford A. Thaxton
Like buying a Frank Sinatra CD and having half the disc devoted to the exact same songs performed by Sinatra impersonator Hieronymous Schlopps.
If the CD features an altogether different interpretation (like the piano-led renditions by a different artist provided at the end of an FSM Steiner orchestral CD), all well and good. But Wentworth's Midway is an attempt to duplicate the score as closely as possible, not shed new light on it. So unless you think Wentworth's performance offers something that Williams' doesn't, it's just padding. Do you think Wentworth's performance offers insights or creative variations that Williams' doesn't? What is it that you think warrants its inclusion, apart from the fact it exists?
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I might pick this up - I watched the film just last week. Good score, but awful, awful movie.
It needed John Williams badly - the dramatic plot, what little there was, was obvious and very melodramatic, and the actual combat was never less than confusing. Putting up titles telling me who and what everything is every other minute doesn't help when all the footage looks the same and then when people are shot seconds later, I can't tell if they're the people I've just been seeing do dialogue or not.
Also, the decision to use original footage was insane. If it wasn't grainy, hard-to-see combat footage making already incomprehensible sequences even worse, it was the laughable sight of real planes landing on ships with brilliant, beautiful sky blue behind them, and then the next shot shows Chuck Heston "watching" them land with grey, dull overcast skies behind him.
Every single stock shot takes you out the film, and just makes the entire thing unbelievable.
BUT the score was good, so I'll maybe grab this one in a little while.
I think it was a cast in need of a film. In the days when all-star casts were still affordable, it feels like they hired a cast based on a concept and then threw together a script to make sure they all had an Admiral to play. A Bridge Too Far almost suffered from that one too but at least gave all those generals some individuality of character beyond the star playing him.
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It seems like the re-record was the complete score. For those of us who are not completists but merely want the music. Is there an appreciable difference in the performances that would make me want to invest in this version if I already have the older one? I welcome your perceptions from those of you familiar with the score from both the old CD and the film.
Thanks.
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Oct 10, 2011 - 12:41 PM
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I remember watching the film years ago on telly just to hear the Williams music.
Unfortunately, a great deal of his music is REALLY buried under the sound FX.
Case in point, the opening track is practically inaudible against the sound of the plane taking off and in transit.
I think the reason I quite like the Varese re-recording from the time ago is that it's so difficult to hear much of Williams' original takes on the material, so any comparison is, for the most time, rendered useless.
I recall thinking the soft cue, where the American guy is talking to his Japanese imprisoned girlfriend sounded okay, but I'm looking forward to hearing the film version.
I've enjoyed owning and listening to it over these past years, so it's more than served it's poipoise.
But I'm really happy I can now listen to the proper performance by the real band from the actual film.
NO ONE nails Williams for me other than Williams and I'm sure it's gonna be a blast to finally hear the original film tracks in all their glory.
And for the record, I'm also glad they DIDN'T include the re-recording. What's the point? Would have made no sense to me whatsoever.
And I also think the film is one rough ride. Save for Williams, a waste of time for me.
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I do feel there's a difference between an album released with the film & conducted by the composer & one recorded many years later & conducted by someone else.
THAT'S what I was getting at. Sorry about the confusion, folks.
I should have been more specific, but what I meant by "re-recording," of course, was a separate project, conducted by someone else, years later, etc.
Obviously, a great many "soundtrack albums" are themselves actually re-recordings, and there have certainly been enough "two-fer" 2-CD releases to make an OST + re-recording release for "Midway" an inoffensive idea (aside from the reasons several have mentioned above).
You talked me into it, Ford.
I might've bought a two-fer release . . . if it didn't cost much more, anyway.
As it is, I can take an empty 2-CD jewel case and make my own Varese "Midway" set when this new CD arrives.
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Yeah, and what about expanded SW prequels?
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