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The thought of Lukas driving down a foggy road at night with the only pristine copies of the score made me think of one of those thriller movies. I wonder if Lukas was looking in his rear view mirror a lot wondering if he was being followed.
Sounds like the rear window was blocked with tapes!
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solium:
The thought of Lukas driving down a foggy road at night with the only pristine copies of the score made me think of one of those thriller movies. I wonder if Lukas was looking in his rear view mirror a lot wondering if he was being followed.
It would be like that scene from "The Simpsons" where the comic book store guy dumps comics he says no one would want outside into the trash and when he leaves the nerds come crawling out and make nerd sounds as they reach for them.
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I laughed out loud about the comment of Dennis McCarthy, who is probably watching FOX News right now :')
But although McCarthy has stated he's conservative (which he did whilst commenting on Jon Broxton's review about his score to Death of a Nation), it's not known in what way, is it? I mean, is he more like a Tea-Party conservative or more in a John McCain sort-of way?
What also interests me is the fact that Rick Berman was willing to drop his rules regarding the use of music in the TNG movies. Is there anything known about that?
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Jan 15, 2019 - 10:14 AM
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Huh? Vulcans are Jews????
So's Superman.
Not following on Superman and Vulcans?
OK, in brief...in the original 1960s Star Trek, for whatever reason, Jewish actors were hired to play Vulcans: Leonard Nimoy, Mark Lenard, Celia Lovsky, Arlene Martel, Lawrence Montaigne. On our podcast, I suggested the the casting worked because, well, to use a stereotype (I'm Jewish too, forgive me), Jews are neurotic and when you had neurotic people trying to play people who didn't show emotion, you could still sense the emotions underneath and it made the performances interesting. Also worked well with the characters having a kind of deadpan humor.
As for Superman, the character was created by two Jewish immigrants and people have written that they infused their own outsider experience into the character: https://www.thedailybeast.com/superman-is-jewish-the-hebrew-roots-of-americas-greatest-superhero
Hope this doesn't sidetrack the conversation.
Lukas
A (hopefully) final note on this sidetrack:
It's now common knowledge among fans, but Spock's famous Vulcan salute is actually a hand signal for the Hebrew letter "shin" used in Jewish religious ceremonies.
Nimoy would draw on many elements from his Jewish background to create Vulcan culture in TREK, and when he got to direct STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK, he saw that as an opportunity to build on that further. You can make a good argument that TREK III is a remake of a Yiddish play called DER DYBBUK (premiered in 1920, and remade many times on film), a possession story drawn from Jewish folklore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dybbuk
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The thought of Lukas driving down a foggy road at night with the only pristine copies of the score made me think of one of those thriller movies. I wonder if Lukas was looking in his rear view mirror a lot wondering if he was being followed.
....carrying nitroglycerin in the trunk!
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Hallo Mr. Kendall.
If I understand you correct, you wrote, that Grecsendo Records (aka Neil Norman, who was a great Trek fan) had access to the tapes of all the TOS scores.
I often aks myself in the past why they didnt release much more Star Trek TOS scores (all in all just 6, including the two pilots were released by the on 3 Volumes, within 7 years I belive), before the wonderfull complete box was released by LaLaLand.
Maybe you know why they just did so few?
Thank you
I don't know specifically but the albums were much more expensive at the time and I seem to remember the licensing took a long time too...it was just a different era, I guess! Crescendo ended up deciding that a couple of "Best of Star Trek" albums made the most sense for them.
Lukas
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The ones they did release sold poorly, at least based on the economics of the time. The mail-order specialty market now, with reduced re-use fees, is quite different.
Yes, but it was a great feeling in those days (late 80s, early 90s) to be browsing in a record store at the mall and stumble onto GNP CDs of Star Trek music. The Royal Philharmonic re-recordings and GNP's Lost in Space volumes were also CDs I found in person, without knowing they existed beforehand.
But there just weren't enough of us to support that distribution model, especially with the musicians' union playing hardball, as if TV underscores would have a gusher of sales. As you indicated.
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What also interests me is the fact that Rick Berman was willing to drop his rules regarding the use of music in the TNG movies. Is there anything known about that?
On one of the DVD extras Berman points out that he wanted Goldsmith for Generations but didn't have the budget. Then for First Contact they didn't budget for "composer" they budgeted for "Jerry Goldsmith".
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Jan 15, 2019 - 1:11 PM
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Huh? Vulcans are Jews????
So's Superman.
Not following on Superman and Vulcans?
OK, in brief...in the original 1960s Star Trek, for whatever reason, Jewish actors were hired to play Vulcans: Leonard Nimoy, Mark Lenard, Celia Lovsky, Arlene Martel, Lawrence Montaigne. On our podcast, I suggested the the casting worked because, well, to use a stereotype (I'm Jewish too, forgive me), Jews are neurotic and when you had neurotic people trying to play people who didn't show emotion, you could still sense the emotions underneath and it made the performances interesting. Also worked well with the characters having a kind of deadpan humor.
As for Superman, the character was created by two Jewish immigrants and people have written that they infused their own outsider experience into the character: https://www.thedailybeast.com/superman-is-jewish-the-hebrew-roots-of-americas-greatest-superhero
Hope this doesn't sidetrack the conversation.
Lukas
A (hopefully) final note on this sidetrack:
It's is now common knowledge among fans, but Spock's famous Vulcan salute is actually a hand signal for the Hebrew letter "shin" used in Jewish some religious ceremonies.
Nimoy would draw on many elements from his Jewish background to create Vulcan culture in TREK, and when he got to direct STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK, he saw that as an opportunity to build on that further. You can make a good argument that TREK III is a remake of a Yiddish play called DER DYBBUK (premiered in 1920, and remade many times on film), a possession story drawn from Jewish folklore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dybbuk
Many years ago I visited the town of Worms in Germany which has a centuries-old Jewish cemetery. One of the headstones had a carved image of what I thought looked like the Vulcan salute. That was the first time I realized that particular hand gesture did not originate with Star Trek.
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It was nice hearing a potted history of the various recordings. Thanks, GL.
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Jan 15, 2019 - 8:44 PM
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Jörn
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Hallo Mr. Kendall.
If I understand you correct, you wrote, that Grecsendo Records (aka Neil Norman, who was a great Trek fan) had access to the tapes of all the TOS scores.
I often aks myself in the past why they didnt release much more Star Trek TOS scores (all in all just 6, including the two pilots were released by the on 3 Volumes, within 7 years I belive), before the wonderfull complete box was released by LaLaLand.
Maybe you know why they just did so few?
Thank you
I don't know specifically but the albums were much more expensive at the time and I seem to remember the licensing took a long time too...it was just a different era, I guess! Crescendo ended up deciding that a couple of "Best of Star Trek" albums made the most sense for them.
Lukas
Thank`s for your awnser, Lukas.
By the way: did you never had intensive contact to Neil Norman?
And wasn`t you involved in those Crescendo releases in any way (not even as a consultant or supporter)?
What were your PERSONAL feelings about those Crescendo-releases by that time (1985 + 1992)?
Where you happy (like most of us folks), that something finally was released AT ALL or did you thought "well, if I could release those music, I would do it better THIS way...."? ;-)
And when did you personaly had accsess to the unreleased TOS music and could enjoy it privatly for the
first time ?
Was that long before you decided to write your great book about the music of ST?
And did Mr. Norman let you have accsess to the tapes he got or did you had access directly to the Paramount/CBS vaults that time you begin to the research for your book?
Sorry for so much questions but i like this kind of stories and "history" :-)
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Thank`s for your awnser, Lukas.
By the way: did you never had intensive contact to Neil Norman?
And wasn`t you involved in those Crescendo releases in any way (not even as a consultant or supporter)?
What were your PERSONAL feelings about those Crescendo-releases by that time (1985 + 1992)?
Where you happy (like most of us folks), that something finally was released AT ALL or did you thought "well, if I could release those music, I would do it better THIS way...."? ;-)
And when did you personaly had accsess to the unreleased TOS music and could enjoy it privatly for the
first time ?
Was that long before you decided to write your great book about the music of ST?
And did Mr. Norman let you have accsess to the tapes he got or did you had access directly to the Paramount/CBS vaults that time you begin to the research for your book?
Sorry for so much questions but i like this kind of stories and "history" :-)
At the time I loved the Crescendo Star Trek releases and only wished there had been more of them. I was acquainted with Neil from being the editor and publisher of Film Score Monthly; he was very supportive in giving us info on his label and buying ads from time to time. The thought of releasing CDs myself was very far from my mind.
I didn't write a book about the music of Star Trek, my friend Jeff Bond did, though I helped with the publication. That was the late 1990s, I think.
All of that activity was well before we did the TOS box set for La-La Land.
Lukas
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The thought of Lukas driving down a foggy road at night with the only pristine copies of the score made me think of one of those thriller movies.
I can't contemplate the subject without feeling immensely pleased that the contents of those tapes have been digitally preserved from ever fading, and propagated around the world to survive any disaster short of a large asteroid strike. Having the 50th Anniversary set to top off the tank? Unbelievable.
Our TOS music went from a slender thread of survival (the black market, avoiding bad luck like a fire at Neil Norman's house, and whatever else could go wrong) to being virtually invulnerable to extinction. When they stop making hard drives, we can transfer the files to solid state memory. There was a time when it was barely saved, and now it can't be lost.
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Jan 16, 2019 - 9:29 AM
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Solium
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Huh? Vulcans are Jews????
So's Superman.
Not following on Superman and Vulcans?
OK, in brief...in the original 1960s Star Trek, for whatever reason, Jewish actors were hired to play Vulcans: Leonard Nimoy, Mark Lenard, Celia Lovsky, Arlene Martel, Lawrence Montaigne. On our podcast, I suggested the the casting worked because, well, to use a stereotype (I'm Jewish too, forgive me), Jews are neurotic and when you had neurotic people trying to play people who didn't show emotion, you could still sense the emotions underneath and it made the performances interesting. Also worked well with the characters having a kind of deadpan humor.
As for Superman, the character was created by two Jewish immigrants and people have written that they infused their own outsider experience into the character: https://www.thedailybeast.com/superman-is-jewish-the-hebrew-roots-of-americas-greatest-superhero
Hope this doesn't sidetrack the conversation.
Lukas
A (hopefully) final note on this sidetrack:
It's is now common knowledge among fans, but Spock's famous Vulcan salute is actually a hand signal for the Hebrew letter "shin" used in Jewish some religious ceremonies.
Nimoy would draw on many elements from his Jewish background to create Vulcan culture in TREK, and when he got to direct STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK, he saw that as an opportunity to build on that further. You can make a good argument that TREK III is a remake of a Yiddish play called DER DYBBUK (premiered in 1920, and remade many times on film), a possession story drawn from Jewish folklore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dybbuk
Many years ago I visited the town of Worms in Germany which has a centuries-old Jewish cemetery. One of the headstones had a carved image of what I thought looked like the Vulcan salute. That was the first time I realized that particular hand gesture did not originate with Star Trek.
Pretty sure Nimoy got the idea of the Vulcan hand gesture from an African tribe.
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