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Oct 6, 2021 - 11:23 AM
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Rameau
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Somebody, please, correct me if my premise is wrong, but what I find weird about the non-release of these three superb albums, is that given their popularity on these threads, that we would get some comment from the labels. We often hear from the labels that such and such score is lost, that there are legal complications, and so on whenever a discussion turns to highly-requested scores. For these three I can't recall hearing anything. Do any of you know what the labels have to say?
As I remember, a few years back Roger from Intrada posted that it was legal stuff that had so far prevented a CD release. But these things can change & it was a very good sign that Quartet released a track from the albums, As always, fingers crossed.
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Thank heavens I have my LPs, in mint condition.
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I have all 3 releases on a CD set from decades ago. Obviously copied from LPs, but they were good quality. I hope they do get a legit release on CD.
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Now that the following have been released--the Gerhardt box, the Herrmann Phase 4 box, Elmer Bernstein's Film Music Collection--the Polydor Suites remain perhaps the last great multi-disc re-recordings of golden age scores from the 70s.
Agreed. Given the myriad multi-disc releases that Deutsche Grammophon have re-issued in recent years, the absence of these three important albums -- digitally remastered -- is deeply disturbing. Too bad that they weren't issued originally through Decca/London, rather that DGG/Polydor.
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The party line has always been that the masters are missing. But, as we all know, sometimes what's gone missing is not missing at all - just misplaced, mis-labeled, and suddenly it's found. The AVA collection is living proof of that. We were told by the owner that they didn't have the first generation masters - only they did. I remember when DRG issued the cast album of A Family Affair, mastered from horrible vinyl. They didn't even attempt to figure out where they were - they made one call to the wrong place, were told the masters didn't exist. Well, I knew where they were because I asked the right company - not only the album masters, but the three-track analogue tapes AND the 35mm mag tape on which it was recorded. They're still there. But because they did the wrong thing, they killed any sales it would have - it literally would not sell more than 100 copies.
Point being, what's missing is missing until it's not.
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These albums were among the most significant releases of film music in the sixty odd years that I've been acquiring recorded music for the movies. It's a tragedy that they haven't been preserved for future generations, and that no one in authority, apparently, had deemed them worth saving.
Steve
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I've (with regret) been watching this thread for years. Like everyone else, I have treasured my three LPs.
Then last week, I got lucky on ebay and located a spanking brand new copy of the aforementioned reel-to-reel release of MIKLOS ROZSA CONDUCTS HIS GREAT FILM MUSIC. So, if the original masters are truly "lost," at least that reel-to-reel release at 7.5 ips with Dolby B noise reduction could be one remasterable piece of the CD release puzzle. With tapes of that age, one does worry about audio print-through, flaking, and all of the other travails that plague the job of restoration. I have always read with interest about restorationists who knew that, due to the aged/deteriorated condition of the tapes, they were only going to get ONLY ONE TRY to play it. The stress!
The other two LPs are available in minty-mint condition for LP-to-CD transfers by one of our stable of audio restoration experts who have done such wonderful restorations in the past , so the "musical content" issue seems (at least to me) to be a moot point now.
The "rights" issue seems to be the current sticking point. For that issue, I quess we have to defer to our beloved soundtrack professionals who do this for a living to solve. I think they will, hopefully in my lifetime.
Ron Burbella
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It is really heartbreaking that this Polydor albums are still not on CD...
To be honest, after so many years, I personally gave up hope it would ever be released...
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Just revisited fantastic "Knights of the Round Table" Suite fr9m Polydor recordings which is avaiable on youtube.
What a magical perfromance is this!
Years go by and this Polydor albums are still not released... it is real tragedy for film music enthusiast...
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What I find frustrating--and someone here will correct me if I'm wrong--is that I have yet to read what the holdup is. Master tapes unavailable? Labels perceived lack of interest from the buying community? Rights? I'm guessing that it is either the first or third reason. Maybe a label who has looked into this could answer.
If so, I'm hoping their response will be that they are actively working on it.
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I completely agree with you, Michael. Those original three Polydor albums remain among the most spectacular representations of Rozsa and the golden age of film music that I've ever heard. The original albums are among the most precious recordings in my collection, and I've been collecting records and cd's since 1960. I guess that makes me old. Still, I doubt that I've ever heard more exquisite or powerful recordings in my seventy six years than these three albums conducted by Rozsa himself. Their historic importance and significance is legendary. I was literally thinking of these recordings only a moment ago when you revived this thread just now. It's bordering on criminal negligence that they have yet to be found, re-mastered, and released in a definitive cd set. What a shame ... and what a loss to modern preservationists and music lovers everywhere.
Steve
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Yet somehow Quartet was able to recently work out the rights to license a single track for inclusion on their Private Life of Sherlock Holmes 2 CD edition. Don't know if that was some sort of "compilation" loophole or what, which wouldn't apply to the entire set, but thought it was worth pointing out.
Yavar
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I have the three original LPs which are bonafide treasures in my collection, along with the two CD grey-area releases that contain the contents of the three lps. Legitimate releases on CD of these recordings remain on my most desired wishlist. These albums are in the elite of filmmusic recordings and deserve a better fate.
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Perhaps, then, Quartet could release these. The last two years they have had fantastic December releases. These three Rozsa recordings would make for a great December.
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