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 Posted:   Mar 30, 2021 - 11:56 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Great to have this score finally in my hands. Just amazing to see this released and source is very good indeed for its age. Great notes from Jeff Bond as usual. Lovely presentation overall by Intrada, as expected. I don’t normally enjoy the golden age style of film music but with Goldsmith you get those modern characteristics that he became famous for peppered throughout. And the score makes for a great album listen from beginning to end. Well done Intrada and Columbia. thank you!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I just ordered a copy!

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I just ordered a copy!

Me too, Henry. Placed my order this morning and it’s already been shipped!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I just ordered a copy!

Me too, Henry. Placed my order this morning and it’s already been shipped!


Cool! I've been ordering Goldsmith cds like a maniac, and haven't been disappointed yet!

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

You very rarely will be, despite how much work he churned out year after year! Looking forward to your thoughts on this one... did you have a chance to listen to the Soundtrack Spotlight?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

You very rarely will be, despite how much work he churned out year after year! Looking forward to your thoughts on this one... did you have a chance to listen to the Soundtrack Spotlight?

Yavar


Hi Yavar! I will let you know what I think of it. So far I think my favorite Goldsmith western score is TAKE A HARD RIDE, I love it!smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Take a Hard Ride is excellent. You might also like Breakheart Pass.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Take a Hard Ride is excellent. You might also like Breakheart Pass.

Thanks! If I have any Goldsmith questions I'll ask you and Yavar!smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Take a Hard Ride is excellent. You might also like Breakheart Pass.

Jerry Goldsmith never wrote a western score that wasn’t excellent... I guess I don’t often listen to The Ballad of Cable Hogue on album compared to the rest, but in the (wonderful) film it is *perfect*.

Henry, I’m slightly mixed on Take A Hard Ride because I don’t always dig the abrasive villainous synth sounds, at least on album (need to see the film still)...that said the vast majority of the score is an absolute delight and some of my favorite western Goldsmith, so that really only ends up being a minor niggle in the end.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 5:37 PM   
 By:   Larry847   (Member)

Take a Hard Ride is excellent. You might also like Breakheart Pass.

Jerry Goldsmith never wrote a western score that wasn’t excellent... I guess I don’t often listen to The Ballad of Cable Hogue on album compared to the rest, but in the (wonderful) film it is *perfect*.

Henry, I’m slightly mixed on Take A Hard Ride because I don’t always dig the abrasive villainous synth sounds, at least on album (need to see the film still)...that said the vast majority of the score is an absolute delight and some of my favorite western Goldsmith, so that really only ends up being a minor niggle in the end.

Yavar


Take a Hard Ride is not one I gravitate toward as frequently as say 100 Rifles or Rio Conchos (or now Face of a Fugitive) purely for listening pleasure. I would put it more in the category of Wild Rovers or Hour of the Gun as a listening experience. Cable Hogue I listen to more because of my love of the movie itself. But in the context of scores in general, any of these Goldsmith westerns are still great works, head and shoulders above many golden age western scores from the likes of Newman, Tiomkin, Steiner and others.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 6:18 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 6:29 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

That’s because AFI cares more about the reception of the films themselves. Even a great western (and great score) that’s too under-the-radar like Lonely Are the Brave gets ignored by them. And they’d list something like High Noon, which IMO apart from the climax cue is honestly memorable but mediocre as a film score.

That said, I’ll push back myself as far as Alfred Newman is concerned. I think he along with Friedhofer and others in the 40s and 50s pre-Goldsmith were doing quite complex and sensitive work in the genre.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 8:18 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

the American Film Institute nominated 250 film scores as contenders for the title of "AFI Top 100 Film Scores" ... but I don't recall any of the nominations being for a Jerry western.

Ah, yes, because lists compiled by AFI are the definitive yardstick for quality, on equal playing ground with the Academy Awards and every other popularity/nostalgia contest.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 9:40 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 31, 2021 - 11:01 PM   
 By:   Larry847   (Member)

As it happens, 100 Rifles was in '69 and I would happily toss Butch Cassidy out. The only conflict to a Goldsmith western is How the West Was Won vs. Lonely are the Brave (one of Yavar's favorites).

That being said, though they work well enough, I find Steiner's westerns to not be particularly memorable. The only two Newmans that do anything for me are Nevada Smith and HTWWW. As for Tiomkin's westerns, as much as I love the Alamo, his older ones I don't find that great. They tend to be title songs with scores crafted around them. I know, arguable and controversial, but that's me.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2021 - 3:41 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I like Goldsmith's western scores well enough (although I prefer his Americana ones over his Tex-Mexicana ones), but personally enjoy cowboy scores by Elmer Bernstein, John Williams and Bruce Broughton much more.
I think theirs are stronger efforts in the genre overall.
For me, Goldsmith never wrote a western score as good as MAGNIFICENT SEVEN, THE SCALPHUNTERS, THE COWBOYS, SILVERADO or TOMBSTONE.
But that's not to decry the quality or value of scores like LONELY ARE THE BRAVE, STAGECOACH, HOUR OF THE GUN, BANDOLERO or WILD ROVERS.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2021 - 3:56 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I watched "Last Train from Gun Hill" (1959) recently. Considering the plot and focus on two strong characters, Tiomkin's typical "oater" score was terribly inappropriate, and there's alot of it. Could only find a PAL version so the higher pitched audio didn't help, but if any movie deserves a new score, by anyone, that movie does. Since it starred Kirk Douglas, Alex North comes to mind. Goldsmith might have been too green at the time, but of course one wonders what he could have done for it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2021 - 4:02 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Bruce Broughton is actually the underrated King of Cowboy scores for me.
Apart from his two classics - SILVERADO & TOMBSTONE - his scores for O' PIONEERS, TRUE WOMEN, ROUGHING IT are really top notch efforts.
I also loved the way he would often work a hoe-down style bit into many of his other, more contemporary 80s and 90s scores.

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2021 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

I just want to add my praise for this early Goldsmith. Excellent score in pretty damn good sound. Hearing it this way actually surprised me a little; it is much more nuanced than I realized listening to it in the film. The only thing I sort of miss is the train during the Main Title; I got used to hearing it that way all through these years of listening to it on YouTube.
And I want to add to the list of other great western scores:
Comes A Horseman by Michael Small. One of my absolute favorites.
Viva Zapata, The Wonderful Country and Bite the Bullet by Alex North.
The Outriders by Andre Previn.
The Stalking Moon by Fred Karlin.
Ride Vaquero and The Way West by Bronislau Kaper.
The Professionals and Villa Rides by Maurice Jarre.
Way of A Gaucho by Sol Kaplan. (Not really a "western", but it does have guys on horses riding around on a prairie a little south of here.)
And two not released:
Valdez Is Coming by Charles Gross
Man With A Gun by Alex North

 
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