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 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 12:00 AM   
 By:   pzfan   (Member)


I feel like 10,000 is a misprint and it was supposed to be 1,000.

Most are releases generally are 1,000 and since WRATH OF KHAN already had a good-quality expanded release, they're probably assuming most of the people who bought that one are happy with that one and will be waffling. With the recent THE MATRIX and even SLEEPY HOLLOW, a good amount of people said "nah, I'm good" so while the film and soundtrack is popular, I wouldn't be surprised if they're not expecting TONS and TONS of demand.


No.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 12:21 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)


I feel like 10,000 is a misprint and it was supposed to be 1,000.

Most are releases generally are 1,000 and since WRATH OF KHAN already had a good-quality expanded release, they're probably assuming most of the people who bought that one are happy with that one and will be waffling. With the recent THE MATRIX and even SLEEPY HOLLOW, a good amount of people said "nah, I'm good" so while the film and soundtrack is popular, I wouldn't be surprised if they're not expecting TONS and TONS of demand.


Blah, blah, blah.
All wrong!


Oh, right. Yes, of course.

Now I uh, remember.

In the interview with Intrada... ...they were saying William Shatner personally approved uh, 10,000 copies because he wants to keep 9,000 of them to himself - uh, in honor of the uh, duration in milliseconds the "Khaaaaaan" yell went for, including the reverb placed on it.

Yeah, that was it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 12:35 AM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)

I highly doubt the 10,000 is a misprint and 1,000 would be ridiculously too low for a title such as this. For starters, it's Star Trek, and Wrath of Khan at that. I'm sure LLL wanted to make enough here so that it would be available for a solid year. If the sound has been significantly upgraded or there are some previously unreleased cues, unused cues or alternates on here then many will instantly get this new release, myself included. I also think the FSM release is old enough now where many people have entered the film score collecting scene since then and missed out on that older release.

Not to mention the fact that LLL's The Motion Picture set was also 10,000.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 12:50 AM   
 By:   pzfan   (Member)


Oh, right. Yes, of course.

Now I uh, remember.

In the interview with Intrada... ...they were saying William Shatner personally approved uh, 10,000 copies because he wants to keep 9,000 of them to himself - uh, in honor of the uh, duration in milliseconds the "Khaaaaaan" yell went for, including the reverb placed on it.

Yeah, that was it.


I edited my original reply because I suspected it would hurt your feelings, but too late.
Sorry for that.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 1:01 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)


Oh, right. Yes, of course.

Now I uh, remember.

In the interview with Intrada... ...they were saying William Shatner personally approved uh, 10,000 copies because he wants to keep 9,000 of them to himself - uh, in honor of the uh, duration in milliseconds the "Khaaaaaan" yell went for, including the reverb placed on it.

Yeah, that was it.


I edited my original reply because I suspected it would hurt your feelings, but too late.
Sorry for that.


No, it's ok I was having fun coming up with a joke scenario as a reply. BUT it sounds like this is actually true?

DARTHBRETT is saying Star Trek: The Motion Picture had 10,000 copies which sounds pretty high to me but I guess it's possible. That's really impressive! I was kind of sad thinking there are only 1,000 film score fans in the world but 10,000?!?! That's a much less lonely number!

Also, I always liked your Arnold gif - nothing like Arnold chomping down on carrots to lighten the mood.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 1:45 AM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

DARTHBRETT is saying Star Trek: The Motion Picture had 10,000 copies which sounds pretty high to me but I guess it's possible. That's really impressive! I was kind of sad thinking there are only 1,000 film score fans in the world but 10,000?!?! That's a much less lonely number!

Remember that Star Trek appeals far outside the film music fan club, so I'd imagine a number of Star Trek fans will want this as well as us. That combination of us and them could actually sell out 10,000.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 3:23 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)



We don't really need a full remastered OST for this one, do we? The only two cues I can think of would be the Battle in the Mutara Nebula without the synth overlay, and the original End Title. Weren't the other tracks the same?


The full redundancy hasn't stopped a LOT of previous issues. *batteries not included comes to mind, where the OST is 100% identical to tracks in the full score.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 3:25 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

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 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 3:28 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

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 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 3:37 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Incidently why is it THIS release that people are saying 'naw man don't need the album' but not the 10s of others over the last 10 years?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 3:56 AM   
 By:   Bromhead   (Member)

It says Remastered so I guess that is the difference...

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 4:16 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Incidently why is it THIS release that people are saying 'naw man don't need the album' but not the 10s of others over the last 10 years?

Because the previous release was fine and pretty much covered all the bases?

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 4:55 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Ref: Comments about the numbers.

It's worth remembering that 10,000 is the upper limit on how many copies LLL can press and sell. It does not mean LLL is obliged to press and sell 10,000 copies.

I suspect they'll do the usual thing of pressing so many copies and ordering more as sales demand.

Ref: Why buy it again?

Well, I must admit I was surprised given how good the Retrograde CD was. However, as people have said, that CD was from mixed 2nd generation analog tapes rather than unmixed 1st generation digital tapes.

My guess is the producers care about this score so much that if there's an opportunity to do it again from 1st generation tapes to get the best sound possible, they want to take that opportunity.

Personally, so do I.

That's what I love about film score labels run by film score fans—that they do that rather than say, "Well, we've already done it and it was okay so why bother improving it?"

This is something to love, not knock.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 5:01 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

This is something to love, not knock.

Agreed.

Also, these things go out of print. Labels re-release the scores because not everyone has been collecting film music CDs for decades and has everything. STAR TREK II is an excellent score, so if it is out of print, it's good to see this re-released. Sure, they could just do a straight re-release, but if LaLaLand re-releases it now, they do some remastering (perhaps new tapes have been found, etc), include some alternates (there aren't supposed to be a lot apart from some off-key bagpipe tracks etc., but some fans want it all), perhaps include the original album (even though I'd say that's superfluous, as that album contained no "album edits" but just selected cues IIRC. That way, the release appeals to both those who do not yet have STAR TREK II and those who are ready to buy it again.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 5:03 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

This is something to love, not knock.

100%

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Whereas my heart breaks because having got the vinyl LP back in the day, and then the last nice release on cd, I sort of wish I'd missed that last release so I could justify yet another dip, but I just can't. Got to draw the line somewhere, and as much as I love this score...

Of course if I could just walk to my local store and pick it up I think I'd be very tempted...... Very pleased for everyone that IS making the extra effort though. It does deserve that kind of thanks for being made available.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

Because the previous release was fine and pretty much covered all the bases?

There was ‘one’ thing that fans wanted that the original expanded releases did not provide. Thankfully La-La Land delivered it on their 50th Anniversary set (Thank you again La-La Land!). With this set, that track will not only sound better, be finally be where it belongs. With the rest of the score. Those who didn’t buy the 50th Anniversary set but do buy this release will finally be able to have both versions to experience... Or three if the original ending track is also included.

But of course, this is all speculation that the non-vocal film version of the 'Epilogue - End Title' track will indeed be featured on this release. I know Neil S. Bulk HATED including that track on the 50th Anniversary Edition (As well as the 'Battle For Peace' "FIRE!" gap on the film score presentation of Star Trek VI. He told me himself.) so it's not out of the realm of possibility that La-La Land will treat the non-vocal version as something that should only remain on the 50th Anniversary set. If that winds up being the case and this new set includes better sounding audio, well.... That would be a big bummer all around.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

This is something to love, not knock.

100%


This is exactly on the mark.

I plan on buying this, making it the fourth iteration of the score I'll have bought. The sound improvement from the original album to the Retrograde was probably the single biggest jump in quality I can think of in a film soundtrack. Absolutely gorgeous. I hope for another jump (if small) with this new edition.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Don't really care for additional alts, cause you know it's just gonna sound like BBTS's. But I'll pick this up for a sound upgrade and for a remastered OST if it includes that. (Really sad CEOT3K expanded edition didn't include the album presentation.)
Or I'll pick it up just because it's Star Trek, Horner and WOK.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2021 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

The suspense is killing me.

I figure in the last 38 years I have spent on this score:
1982 LP - $9
1991 CD - $15
2009 CD - $20
------------------
$44

I spent that much on gasoline last week.

If it sounds better, if there's more material, or both? I'll take it.

 
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