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 Posted:   Sep 21, 2005 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   Olivier   (Member)

Thanks a lot, Swashbuckler!

Hey, you're right, it was released as an SACD as well!
It's listed on amazon.fr -- but unavailable. The DVD-A release, on the other hand, is readily available from amazon.Fr (2 weeks, 13 euros)
It's 5.0, as opposed to the DTS' 5.1 .
Apart from the .1 bass, would there be that big a difference between SACD & DTS (in favor of the SACD version)?

Maybe John Morgan can help me here; I can't think of anyone who'll know better the difference in the mixing of this title.
Please?

Pity I missed all these different releases and didn't order the "right" CD's the first time around-- including even Goldsmith's Star Trek Nemesis & compilation. I didn't think I would get a surround system this soon, but I found a good, serious store that works with SONY and has great prices, including on full-pack surround systems (player & 5.1 speakers for the price of the player or the same set of speakers).
I need to expand my Surround CD collection; Goldsmith & this Steiner re-recording are prime candidates.

And to get back on-topic: I'm glad I'll be able to hear Shore's TLOTR in 5.1 . Thanks a lot for this additional DVD, Mr Shore & team!

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2005 - 7:56 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Actually, I think that SACD tends to sound a bit drier on the whole than DTS; the advantages depend on the music.

If you have full bandwidth speakers as your 5, then the .1 channel isn't so important. If you have a home theater system with tiny speakers, then I'd say definitely go for the DTS.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2005 - 9:11 PM   
 By:   Olivier   (Member)

Here is what I have, Swashbuckler:
http://www.sony.fr/view/ShowProduct.action?product=DAV-DZ300&site=odw_fr_FR&pageType=Overview&category=HCS+Cinema+Surround+Kit
Small speakers totalling 800W

My apologies again for this digression.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2005 - 3:46 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Well, unless you have some sort of bass management system on the amp (which isn't usually available on the analog 5.1 connections), then I'd suggest going with the DVD-A and the DTS sound.

No problem.

I'm still wondering what format the LOTR DVD is going to be in.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2005 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

It's just a sigh that film music is suddenly seen to be a byproduct of the film rather than an independent musical odyssey.

This is an absolutely ludicrous statement! OF COURSE film music is a byproduct of the film!

This is FILM music, people! D'OH!

I can't wait for the three complete LOTR sets.

JR

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2005 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

This is an absolutely ludicrous statement! OF COURSE film music is a byproduct of the film!

It doesn't have to be.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2005 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   TheSeeker   (Member)



It doesn't have to be.


Please clarify.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2005 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Please clarify.

I know you hate links to previous topics, but I clarified pretty extensively here, for example:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=1121&forumID=1

or here:

http://www.celluloidtunes.com/filmmusic.htm

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2005 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

It doesn't have to be.

Yes it does. Like I said just now - it's FILM music! The clue is in the title really.

JR

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2005 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes it does. Like I said just now - it's FILM music! The clue is in the title really.

Read the two links I gave above, and you'll see more clearly what I mean. If you want to continue the discussion, I'll take it in that thread, so as not to clutter up this one unnecessarily.

NP: THE GOOD THIEF (Goldenthal)

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2005 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   TheSeeker   (Member)



I know you hate links to previous topics, but I clarified pretty extensively here, for example:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=1121&forumID=1

or here:

http://www.celluloidtunes.com/filmmusic.htm


Thor, I don't hate your links, I never said that. I was simply puzzled that you would undertake all the trouble of finding old threads pertaining to a certain topic.

Although, I daresay you're doing it very well. wink

Christian, going to peruse some of those links

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2005 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Read the two links I gave above, and you'll see more clearly what I mean.

I've read the articles and I still think it's a load of pretentious old tosh!

IMHO obviously. Anyway...

JR

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2005 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   Olivier   (Member)

(Sorry, this is not TLOTR-related, but the conclusion of my digression)


- Swashbuckler -

On your advice, I ordered the DVD edition of The Adventures of Mark Twain from amazon.fr shortly after this conversation; since the books I ordered along with it were not available until about 2 weeks, I received the parcel this morning.
The disc does play on my player-- like a hybrid CD-SACD, this one is a hybrid DVD Audio / DVD Video edition.

The first track is now playing. Since my player is not hooked to a screen (and the disc being NTSC, if I hook it up top my laptop, the video will be scrambled), I haven't picked the audio format yet, so I assume it must be DD 5.1 I'm hearing now (it's the first option on the disc-- I checked on my computer's DVd player).

Having enjoyed the "plain CD release" since its release, I am now discovering the full 5.1 mix, and it does sound great.

Thanks again for your advice!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2005 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   gkgyver   (Member)

>Why does everyone always jump on Lucasfilm for this? It's not like they developed this approach, or are anywhere close to the worst about it<


'Cause Lucas is a bloody hack! I think releasing a Soundtrack that contains all the edits and audio- mass murders he committed on screen is as close to the worst possible option as it can get. And no one can make me believe a decent (complete) release of Phantom Menace wasn't possible at that time.
In one or two years, it will be re- released with all the material Williams has recorded, that's for sure, and that's what's infuriating about Lucasfilm.
Whenever Lucas thinks that the colour of an alien's hair doesn't match his pants, he releases a new DVD box. For the release of Phantom Menace, then again last year for the promotion of Episode III and this year again. Everytime with new design and new packaging.
Don't fool yourself, if they didn't want us to buy them, they hadn't released them.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2005 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   Jaquandor   (Member)

>Why does everyone always jump on Lucasfilm for this? It's not like they developed this approach, or are anywhere close to the worst about it<


'Cause Lucas is a bloody hack! I think releasing a Soundtrack that contains all the edits and audio- mass murders he committed on screen is as close to the worst possible option as it can get. And no one can make me believe a decent (complete) release of Phantom Menace wasn't possible at that time.


What makes you think that Lucas was personally behind this decision? He might have OK'd it, but the constant depiction of him sitting in a room at Skywalker Ranch, drumming his fingers together in Montgomery Burns-like fashion as he devises new ways to screw fans, is absurd.

In one or two years, it will be re- released with all the material Williams has recorded, that's for sure, and that's what's infuriating about Lucasfilm.

Again: why are you singling Lucas out, when everybody does this kind of thing? See this recent thread on the off-topic board for lots of specific examples:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=29858&forumID=7

Whenever Lucas thinks that the colour of an alien's hair doesn't match his pants, he releases a new DVD box. For the release of Phantom Menace, then again last year for the promotion of Episode III and this year again. Everytime with new design and new packaging.
Don't fool yourself, if they didn't want us to buy them, they hadn't released them.


Holy shit, what a revelation you've come across there: repackaging stuff as part of marketing strategy! Maybe that's why the fonts and pictures on Pepsi cans change every so often! Could it be?!

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2006 - 7:44 PM   
 By:   w-dervish   (Member)

I listened to the DVD back when I got this in December -- several times. I didn't notice anything then, but now it seems like I got a defective copy. At aproximately 2:19:00 until 2:21:00 I am subjected to skipping and electronic buzzes. At one point my DVD player froze and had to be restarted. I don't see how it could be DVD rot -- since if it were wouldn't the disc be affected from 2:19:00 forward? The rest of the disc is fine.

I'm not sure what I should do since it has been almost a year since I purchased this, I don't recall where I purchased it and I don't have a receipt. BTW I've never listened to the CDs -- I really only wanted this set for the DVD. Has anyone else had a problem with the DVD?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2006 - 12:24 AM   
 By:   betenoir   (Member)


Has anyone else had a problem with the DVD?

You might want to start a new thread with this question, since it's the first post in nearly a year.

 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2019 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   CK   (Member)

Listening to this beauty of a film score for the umpteenth time right now.

It still brings me, 17 years after its initial release and 13 after the CR's release, untold and indeed unmitigated joy.

That's all.

 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2019 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

Listening to this beauty of a film score for the umpteenth time right now.

It still brings me, 17 years after its initial release and 13 after the CR's release, untold and indeed unmitigated joy.

That's all.


Heartily agreed! Both film and score are my favorite of the trilogy, and collectively Shore's breathtaking achievement remains a towering monument in the history of film music.

Coincidentally, I was just groovin' to the ROTK blu-ray last night!

 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2019 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Weird coincidence, I just listened to FOTR this morning/afternoon as well. Best score ever!

 
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