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 Posted:   Jan 18, 2020 - 5:51 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Vanishing Point and its ilk are not likely to have much discussion around here. After all, these films were made during the peak of the Boomer Rock music obsession, which often serve as the soundtrack. Hard to imagine what the likes of John Williams and John Barry would have done for these counterculture epics.

Actually, we do know, and it would sound like the stuff we discussed in the "Source Music as Composer Parody" thread.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2020 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

I don't know what VANISHING POINT had as it's point but in the day I forgave it a lot for it's pounding pace and well shot automotive mayhem.

As for ZABRISKIE POINT, I saw that one upon it's release in 1970, more out of curiousity than anything else. I'd be curious to see it again today just to see what my reaction would be.

I suspect I would not be able to get past a scene (pointed out, I believe, by Pauline Kael) that exhibits Antonioni's totally phony view of the U.S. at the time --a pickup truck drives into a town off the desert and a little girl gets out holding a virgin ice cream cone, leaving one to ponder where the hell she got that out in the desert and how she got it into town unmelted.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2020 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

These early '70s "desolate desert road" films remind me of something I heard a DJ say on an oldies radio show back in the awful '80s. He said--I paraphrase--that after the tumult of the 1960s--f_cked-up decade that it was--the 1970s, specifically the early 1970s as it related to songwriting, was a fragmented landscape, with numerous one-hit wonders and established artists having songs about aimlessness and wandering.

Call it Viet Nam Hangover, Watergate Hangover, or 1960s Hangover, but the first half of the 1970s in which those songs were written and these films were made were some of the most hopeless, dreary years in recent memory. This rootlessness was especially keenly felt by the young, and perhaps films like Vanishing Point reflect that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2020 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

These early '70s "desolate desert road" films remind me of something I heard a DJ say on an oldies radio show back in the awful '80s. He said--I paraphrase--that after the tumult of the 1960s--f_cked-up decade that it was--the 1970s, specifically the early 1970s as it related to songwriting, was a fragmented landscape, with numerous one-hit wonders and established artists having songs about aimlessness and wandering.

Call it Viet Nam Hangover, Watergate Hangover, or 1960s Hangover, but the first half of the 1970s in which those songs were written and these films were made were some of the most hopeless, dreary years in recent memory. This rootlessness was especially keenly felt by the young, and perhaps films like Vanishing Point reflect that.



The most important aspect of the early seventies lies in the Neo Noir.

Get Carter
Dirty Harry
The Getaway
The Mechanic
Busting
Charley Varrick
The Long Goodbye
Scarecrow
The Friends of Eddie Coyle
The Outfit
The Conversation
Night Moves




 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2020 - 8:04 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I've seen every film on your list, (Member), except for Charley Varrick, which has a score loved by those of us who love that period of film scoring.

I especially love Night Moves, a film that defines the "Burned Out Vietnam Watergate Blues."

The definitive "Early '70s Hangover" band for me is Creedence Clearwater Revival.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2020 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

These early '70s "desolate desert road" films remind me of something I heard a DJ say on an oldies radio show back in the awful '80s. He said--I paraphrase--that after the tumult of the 1960s--f_cked-up decade that it was--the 1970s, specifically the early 1970s as it related to songwriting, was a fragmented landscape, with numerous one-hit wonders and established artists having songs about aimlessness and wandering.

Call it Viet Nam Hangover, Watergate Hangover, or 1960s Hangover, but the first half of the 1970s in which those songs were written and these films were made were some of the most hopeless, dreary years in recent memory. This rootlessness was especially keenly felt by the young, and perhaps films like Vanishing Point reflect that.


It's similar to what you said - and I'm paraphrasing - about films like "Bullitt" and "Point Blank," which show a desolate, bleeched-out decaying urban landscape, following the flight to the suburbs.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2020 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

It's similar to what you said - and I'm paraphrasing - about films like "Bullitt" and "Point Blank," which show a desolate, bleeched-out decaying urban landscape, following the flight to the suburbs.

I'd be proud to have called those words my own, but they came from someone else on the now-defunct IMDb messageboards. I was just the thoughtful-and-impressed fellow who saved their post. smile

Yes, by the mid 1960s the rot had set in on many an American city, but it would result in so many interesting films and TV shows during that time. Today's culture, despite our allegedly living--more like existing--in "interesting" times, has not produced an equally-interesting pop culture.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2020 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)


If you like Vanishing Point, you'd like
Two-Lane Blacktop (1971)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2020 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


If you like Vanishing Point, you'd like
Two-Lane Blacktop (1971)


LOVE IT!

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2020 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

James Taylor, Dennis Wilson, AND Warren Oates on the same film set?

Do you think that maybe there was some drug use going on?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2020 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

James Taylor, Dennis Wilson, AND Warren Oates on the same film set?

Do you think that maybe there was some drug use going on?


Dennis still looks and sounds really good in this film. Only a couple of years on, the drugs would begin to take their toll on his looks and his voice.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2020 - 2:43 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

On the subject of Two-Lane Blacktop's Dennis Wilson...

Onya and I were discussing the timeline of Dennis' dissipation, so my "research" led me to this December 5, 1980 Beach Boys appearance on weekday chat show "Good Morning America." The awkward interview with the band features an "on something" Dennis Wilson. He's the drunken blur to the far right:



Other than wild man Dennis, the highlight of this "wipeout" is:

"Brian, what do you listen to at home?"

"I listen to a record called "Be My Baby" by The Ronettes."

This was Friday, December 5, 1980. The 1960s-early '70s era of which Vanishing Point was a part already seemed like such a long time ago, and if anyone was still harboring the lie that the 1960s weren't dead and buried by the time this interview was done, then John Lennon's murder the following Monday evening would guarantee that they were.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2020 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Electra Glide In Blue - Chopper Chase Scene

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2020 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

I do get a chuckle watching these clips and a wince when I watch the full movies.
Did we really take ourselves so seriously back then? Did we seriously think we actually could identify with the characters in those films? Especially those of us, like me, in our mid-teens circa 1968 - 1971.
Jim and others are right about the cynicism and feelings of isolation associated with that time period.
I think much of the cynicism was due to the Draft and fear of having to decide to go fight or dodge.
Of all the guys I knew at that time, only one friend, whom was three years older than me, actually lived the Hippie lifestyle. Others merely copied the dress and language and maybe the drug use.
After high school this guy traveled the country in his VW Bus until it died and then he hitched his way all over for a couple of years.
So many of us were just wannabes when it came to living the lifestyle these films portrayed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

I do get a chuckle watching these clips and a wince when I watch the full movies.
Did we really take ourselves so seriously back then? Did we seriously think we actually could identify with the characters in those films? Especially those of us, like me, in our mid-teens circa 1968 - 1971.
Jim and others are right about the cynicism and feelings of isolation associated with that time period.
I think much of the cynicism was due to the Draft and fear of having to decide to go fight or dodge.
Of all the guys I knew at that time, only one friend, whom was three years older than me, actually lived the Hippie lifestyle. Others merely copied the dress and language and maybe the drug use.
After high school this guy traveled the country in his VW Bus until it died and then he hitched his way all over for a couple of years.
So many of us were just wannabes when it came to living the lifestyle these films portrayed.



The real seventies was about people living the standard American way of life.
The hippies were fashion victims.

See this below video that show the lower class in America.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)


Is that the American version of MAD MAX? I gotta see this.

No, it's more Rebel without a Cause meets Lawrence of Arabia.


Fear is the key car chase meets bob the builder. big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The real seventies was about people living the standard American way of life.
The hippies were fashion victims.


Fashion imo was most hideous in the decades ('70s, '80s) dominated by the Boomers.

The 1970s: the decade that needed a haircut.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2020 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

The real seventies was about people living the standard American way of life.
The hippies were fashion victims.


Fashion imo was most hideous in the decades ('70s, '80s) dominated by the Boomers.

The 1970s: the decade that needed a haircut.


You're right, of course, there were some awful fashions then, but every decade has its own level of fashion hideousness, doesn't it?
I'd take bell-bottom jeans and tie-dyed t-shirts over grunge, acid-washed, pants worn below the @ss, etc., any day.
And, can you imagine ST TOS with any uniform fabric other than velour? - The mind boggles!

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2020 - 6:25 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I've mentioned this before and I think it was you who replied: It's vexing that there was never a custom van revival. The Boomers were always a lost cause, but why didn't subsequent generations ever show an interest? It's especially odd since "When the van's-a-rockin', don't come-a knockin'" wasn't a phrase post-Boomer generations aspired to have as their "mantra."

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2020 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


Fear is the key car chase meets bob the builder. big grin



big grin Perfect description!

 
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