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 Posted:   Jan 25, 2020 - 6:47 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Dean Jagger--Mick's uncle, no doubt--is in Vanishing Point. I'm unsure of his role in the film, but I hope his casting is another instance of a golden age or silver age actor getting to be foulmouthed and nasty, like Gig Young in "They Shoot Horses...Don't They?" and "Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia."

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 4:59 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


If you like Vanishing Point, you'd like
Two-Lane Blacktop (1971)


LOVE IT!


Keeping this in mind for Barnes & Noble's July 50% off Criterion sale:

https://www.criterion.com/films/847-two-lane-blacktop

Criterion has this under their summer movies banner. This, Vanishing Point and Zabriskie Point will make for some fine marathon viewing during those under-the-sweltering-sky summer nights here in Florida (or "F-L-A", as Lou Reed said).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)


America - A Horse with No Name

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

America, along with Creedence Clearwater Revival, are what I refer to as "Vietnam Watergate Hangover" music. Steppenwolf, to a certain degree, also fits that description.

Had I been "of age" in 1972 and kept a diary, I would hope that the words "After three days in the desert fun/I was looking at a river bed/And the story it told of a river that flowed/Made me sad to think it was dead" would have flowed from my pen.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2020 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Was Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid (1973) marketed as a "counterculture" western? I would think Bob Dylan's providing the film's music would make it so by default.

However, 1973 was probably the "last gasp" for the Hippie Dream and all the Boomers would soon trade in their suede-fringe vests, tie-dye shirts, and headbands for white suits and good medallions...don't even get me started about what the Boomers would become by 1980.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2020 - 5:32 AM   
 By:   Nedmerrill   (Member)

Was Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid (1973) marketed as a "counterculture" western? I would think Bob Dylan's providing the film's music would make it so by default.

However, 1973 was probably the "last gasp" for the Hippie Dream and all the Boomers would soon trade in their suede-fringe vests, tie-dye shirts, and headbands for white suits and good medallions...don't even get me started about what the Boomers would become by 1980.


Would that be greedy capitalists?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2020 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)


“Dry, synthetic, crap!”
Silent Running (1972) Last Remaining Forests

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

While I enjoy the aesthetics of the era, I would opine that the counterculture era has aged just as "poorly" as the typical Cold War safety film, but I've never been bothered by something being an atavistic or philosophical representation of its time and place, especially when the society it represents has long since vanished.

But as I've frequently stated, things are only "poorly dated" until their revival makes them "relevant" again.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

While I enjoy the aesthetics of the era, I would opine that the counterculture era has aged just as "poorly" as the typical Cold War safety film, but I've never been bothered by something being an atavistic or philosophical representation of its time and place, especially when the society it represents has long since vanished.

But as I've frequently stated, things are only "poorly dated" until their revival makes them "relevant" again.


Good points, Jim.
Tie-dyed clothes are "in" again.
Muscle cars "in" again.
But please let us know beforehand if you're gonna go all Nostradumbass on us and start predicting backyard fallout shelters, mood rings and sea monkeys are the next must-haves.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I can only predict what I'm going to like, and I've long since given up on the Great Unwashed coincidentally grooving to the junk I enjoy.

Though I still wince at custom vans never benefiting from a renaissance.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Though I still wince at custom vans never benefiting from a renaissance.

smile - Just my opinion, but I think that's due to a couple of things that ruined vans for many folksl:
1 - The minivans of the 80s and 90s
2 - Vans have seemingly gained a bad rap (ooh! that phrase needs to come back!) for being used in parking-lot kidnappings - I mean, most women I know avoid vans in parking lots like social distance violators.

I'm still pining for my old 76 Starsky and Hutch Gran Torino - why, oh, why?

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Vans have seemingly gained a bad rap (ooh! that phrase needs to come back!) for being used in parking-lot kidnappings - I mean, most women I know avoid vans in parking lots like social distance violators.

That stigma applies only to those generic, white, windowless vans one sees everywhere. With custom vans, every bland member of the Great Unwashed could describe the distinct mural emblazoned on many a custom van.

Besides, those mom vans could be just as stigmatized as kidnap vessels as any unique custom van.

As you can see, I've given this subject a ton o'thought. wink

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

That stigma applies only to those generic, white, windowless vans one sees everywhere.



"Yeah, I think I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that."

Besides, those mom vans could be just as stigmatized as kidnap vessels as any unique custom van. - Good point.

As you can see, I've given this subject a ton o'thought. wink - And an effort not unworthy of your time!

With custom vans, every bland member of the Great Unwashed could describe the distinct mural emblazoned on many a custom van.

Edit: Here's an idea to (dis)prove your point or mine, ala Higgins/Pickering, if you will. We FSMers set up a Go Fund Me, or whatever, raise enough bread to rent a customized van like the one you described for some normally unlucky-with-the-ladies type guy for a week, gas and everything. Let him drive it around, the ladies can check it out, and if he scores, you win!

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Your idea hits on a point that I cannot refute: The mid-1970s zeitgeist which "fueled" the custom van craze is forever gone and attempting to emulate it today is nothing but a fool's errand.

I know if I actually bought a custom van, I would throw away so much money towards its upkeep. Plus, the mileage on any van is total shite.

frown

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Your idea hits on a point that I cannot refute: The mid-1970s zeitgeist which "fueled" the custom van craze is forever gone and attempting to emulate it today is nothing but a fool's errand.

I know if I actually bought a custom van, I would throw away so much money towards its upkeep. Plus, the mileage on any van is total shite.

frown


Ditto for me. Facts is facts - we bought and drove the cars that we thought the girls would like (yeah, we liked 'em, but we wanted to meet girls). Like some exotic male birds displaying their elaborate plumage, we were trying to attract females.
Any guys here old enough to remember cruising?

Do young guys still buy their cars for the same reasons we did?

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Nedmerrill   (Member)

Your idea hits on a point that I cannot refute: The mid-1970s zeitgeist which "fueled" the custom van craze is forever gone and attempting to emulate it today is nothing but a fool's errand.

I know if I actually bought a custom van, I would throw away so much money towards its upkeep. Plus, the mileage on any van is total shite.

frown


An American using the word "shite"! You're clearly a very sophisticated and cultured gentleman.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2020 - 11:47 PM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2020 - 12:25 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Jim hangs out with northern brits, you see.

He'll be keeping whippets n lurchers next.

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2020 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

In addition to what Bill wrote, I also have winter homes in Craiglang and Peckham.

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2020 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Jim hangs out with northern brits, you see.

He'll be keeping whippets n lurchers next.


Yeah, and using fancy Liverpool-speak like: "Hey, you won't interfere with the basic rugged concept of me personality, will you madam?" and such...

 
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