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This is at the end of the "Cash" cue, correct? It is a bizarre moment. The only explanation I can think of is that it was Goldsmith himself being caught in a "hot mic" moment (which also happened on RUDY and THE RUSSIA HOUSE).
Makes sense and makes way more sense than hiring a choir for more for less two seconds. I just we could get a confirmation form the horse's mouth. I did ask the question twice in this thread, but so far my Goldsmith Signal(TM) hasn't caught the attention of Yavar or someone in the know.
I think "hot mic" is the best explanation anyone is going to get. It's such a fleeting moment, and so atypical of the rest of the score. In 1987, I can see where one might have taken it for a "sweetener" ... and I can't state with 100% surety that that's not the case! But we now have multiple other examples of the composer unconsciously vocalizing during sessions, so that's my best guess. Anyone is free to disagree, of course -- unless someone finds a "vocal" marking on the original manuscript, it's likely to remain conjecture! And with nothing definitive to say about such a minor blip, it didn't seem worth drawing attention to in the liner notes.
There is a moment in "The Plan" where what sounds like Goldsmith's voice saying "One!" is pretty obvious. Possibly a count in that didn't get edited out.
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Goldsmith revised the score for that sequence specifically at Hill's request, Hill felt it was too orchestral. There may have been other edits, but the notes for the LLL edition ( and I think it's mentioned in the Intrada notes ?) do state that Hill didn't like the music and wanted something else.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear Hill tried to get Ry Cooder...
Ry Cooder was on the set of EXTREME PREJUDICE, there are numerous photos of him being there will Hill, Nolte and the actors. IIRC, he even had a guitar stolen on set during the production. So I'm pretty sure he'd have been Hill's original choice to score the picture, but I think Andrew Vajna wanted Goldsmith, so that was that.
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connorb93
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There is a moment in "The Plan" where what sounds like Goldsmith's voice saying "One!" is pretty obvious. Possibly a count in that didn't get edited out.
I know that moment, yeah I've always wondered if it was an actual voice - it sure does accent the moment, seeming deliberate - doesn't sound like the synths used in the score, either.
could you provide a timestamp? I'm sure it will be obvious when I hear it but nothing's ever stuck out to me 
EDIT: oh thaaat moment (2:43 in "The Bank") I always thought that was just my ear playing tricks but it does sound like him.
Finding this moment lead to me revisiting the score again and with each listen it grows higher and higher on my personal favorite Goldsmith score list. You really feel the turmoil, the sadness, even the heat of the location and characters - and that's without the ingenious rhythmic grooves. All those layers of synth work, I'm always amazed how they would have kept track of it all let alone get it to all synch together in your head before you even get to recording.
Speaking of, I've never had an issue with the performance of the Hungarian orchestra. I wonder if Jerry instructed them to play softer in spots to really allow the synths to flourish. Maybe at the request of Hill who wanted more of a keyboard approach? In any case, the new release keeps giving me things to catch in the mix, orchestration techniques and whatnot. It's an interesting score when you realize how little percussion there is compared to his other scores of the era. He also gives the woodwinds little to do, at least as far as I can tell. I wonder if we can ever hear a few of these cues, in any Goldsmith score really, with orchestra on its own.
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Finally listening to this score right now, tonight in the Intrada extended 24bit/96kHz version (though this score has always sounded great, but it seems to sound even a tad greater in this latest edition). (If Intrada registered a Qobuz purchase today of EXYREME PREJUDICE, that was me.  )
This really is one of my favorite Goldsmith scores and hands down my favorite of the scores he recorded in Hungary. Great release.
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