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If don't like it, don't waste your breath.
So you are only allowed to say positive things about a score? No criticism allowed? What a crazy, distorted point of view!
There are criticism and criticism (the later, for my experience, is relatively toxic)
If you don't like Zimmer or any other composer, fine, but when is constantly, bland, toxic hate... well, dosen't constructe anything to debate.
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Zimmer & Mazzaro nailed this score 
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Sep 24, 2021 - 1:39 AM
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If don't like it, don't waste your breath.
So you are only allowed to say positive things about a score? No criticism allowed? What a crazy, distorted point of view!
There are criticism and criticism (the later, for my experience, is relatively toxic)
If you don't like Zimmer or any other composer, fine, but when is constantly, bland, toxic hate... well, dosen't constructe anything to dwbate.
OK. I can agree to that.
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Sep 24, 2021 - 1:45 AM
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If don't like it, don't waste your breath.
So you are only allowed to say positive things about a score? No criticism allowed? What a crazy, distorted point of view!
There are criticism and criticism (the later, for my experience, is relatively toxic)
If you don't like Zimmer or any other composer, fine, but when is constantly, bland, toxic hate... well, dosen't constructe anything to dwbate.
Must agree. One thing is to not be a fan of Zimmer, but to piss and puke on his work in every single thread in here (I'm not referring to you directly) is just low. If a person hates a composer so much, then why on earth give their work a listen?
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If a person hates a composer so much, then why on earth give their work a listen?
I respectfully disagree.
I always listen to the composers I like the least, to try to understand what bothers me. When a piece of music doesn't spontaneously please me, I like to think that it may be nonetheless a masterpiece, and I try to investigate, to understand why I don't like it. Of course sometimes I give up, but I always give a chance...
I think we often have to be wary of what spontaneously pleases. That's a little like with people... some are easy to understand but boring... some are difficult to understand but fascinating. It's easy to put a prostitute in your bed, it immediately pleases, but...
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If a person hates a composer so much, then why on earth give their work a listen?
I respectfully disagree.
I always listen to the composers I like the least, to try to understand what bothers me. When a piece of music doesn't spontaneously please me, I like to think that it may be nonetheless a masterpiece, and I try to investigate, to understand why I don't like it. Of course sometimes I give up, but I always give a chance...
I think we often have to be wary of what spontaneously pleases. That's a little like with people... some are easy to understand but boring... some are difficult to understand but fascinating. It's easy to put a prostitute in your bed, it immediately pleases, but...
But if dosen't construct to anything?
I don't like Trent Reznor, is a bad composer for me, but i don't go to any thread with his name to puke how bad is, that dosen't construct or make statements, is hate for hate.
PS: I find Soul, Gone Girl and Mank, at least interesting 
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If a person hates a composer so much, then why on earth give their work a listen?
I respectfully disagree.
I always listen to the composers I like the least, to try to understand what bothers me. When a piece of music doesn't spontaneously please me, I like to think that it may be nonetheless a masterpiece, and I try to investigate, to understand why I don't like it. Of course sometimes I give up, but I always give a chance...
I think we often have to be wary of what spontaneously pleases. That's a little like with people... some are easy to understand but boring... some are difficult to understand but fascinating. It's easy to put a prostitute in your bed, it immediately pleases, but...
I take the opposite view. If I don't like something, I move on and rarely go back. Life's too short to keep returning to stuff you're not getting any joy from: I haven't played a (for example) John Ottman CD in over a decade now, and why would I when I've got a shelf full of Goldsmiths and Barrys and Zimmers and Williamses and Morricones etcetera that I know will give me that pleasure? I don't really care WHY I don't like onions, I just don't eat them.
As to Zimmer's Bond score: I'm just thinking "let's wait and see"....
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Well, it is that age old 'To Post...Or Not To Post...That Is The Question'
Why throw bile on a thread that is basking in favour and upbeat praises.
But it's a Film Music Discussion Board, and everyone has an opinion (just like an @rsehole).
It might boil down to what mood you're in.
I've certainly entered a thread in the past and rained on the parade with my righteous opinion.
There are two trending now (a new Beltrami and a new Morricone) where I've almost typed in my negative response to the music on offer. But I held back. Why bother? It's just my opinion. And many others seem to be really enjoying it.
What would my negative thoughts add, other than elicit some barbs back from defenders of the music/composer.
And then the thread has been soured somewhat.
And my dislike of the music won't change their like of it. Or vice versa.
I'm not saying we should never post any negative thoughts in threads.
But 9 times out of 10, it will just stir up a mighty stink and not really benefit anybody.
But then, some people would never post here ever again!!
I agree. One should argue sensibly but to just post negative barbs will not help any discussion.
I have been guilty of this before and I will attempt to refrain from that.
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Well, it is that age old 'To Post...Or Not To Post...That Is The Question'
Why throw bile on a thread that is basking in favour and upbeat praises.
But it's a Film Music Discussion Board, and everyone has an opinion (just like an @rsehole).
It might boil down to what mood you're in.
I've certainly entered a thread in the past and rained on the parade with my righteous opinion.
There are two trending now (a new Beltrami and a new Morricone) where I've almost typed in my negative response to the music on offer. But I held back. Why bother? It's just my opinion. And many others seem to be really enjoying it.
What would my negative thoughts add, other than elicit some barbs back from defenders of the music/composer.
My personal feeling would be that usually I wouldn't bother: I've listened to some recent scores that have been the subject of debate and discussion, haven't liked them but haven't bothered to say so. But Bond films and their scores are huge commercial and cultural juggernauts that, like many many othes, I'm heavily invested in and have been for decades. They're part of a much larger whole: how do they fit in with the Bond legacy? And it's in terms of that legacy that we should really discuss NTTD as well as its standalone merits or lack thereof (none of which we'll really know for another week or so). But there isn't much legacy, if any, for the new Beltrami CD or the new Morricone CD except the composer's own.
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I take the opposite view. If I don't like something, I move on and rarely go back. Life's too short to keep returning to stuff you're not getting any joy from [...]
I understand your point of view ... but what I mean is that sometimes you have to force yourself a little.
For example, the Japanese language seems incomprehensible at first to someone who has never practiced it before ... but once you've learned the language, you don't even remember that you didn't understand it before ; it has become a kind of second nature.
The first time I was confronted with the music of Edgar Varèse, Anton Webern, Pierre Boulez or Iannis Xenakis I did not understand anything, and I tought that it was just notes thrown at random. But I hung on, and now, for me, this music seems natural to me. But I would like to take another example, probably closer to our beloved film music: Wagner's tetralogy. It is a monumental work, lasting about 15 hours, and to fully appreciate it, you have to devote time to it. But once that time has been spent, and you become receptive to the intricate web of leitmotifs, you are truly in Nirvana. What is frustrating is that it is a feeling that cannot be transmitted to someone who does not want to walk the path. Götterdämmerung is really the apotheosis of everything that was germinating in Das Rheingold: the themes overlap, melt together .... but to really appreciate it, you have to devote time to it, and sometimes even force yourself a little. For my part, I spent most of my free time listening to practically only the tetralogy in 1995 for a year ... But today, I must say that it has largely paid off.
So yes, if you think life is too short to explore other musical lands, no problem! It is also certain that many of us have more CDs than we can listen to before the great leap to death. On the other hand, there is nothing more exciting than stepping out of our comfort zone, and after a period where you have to force yourself at times, musical happiness is sometimes there to be enjoyed.
Of course (and sadly), Hans Zimmer's music doesn't take me out of my "confort zone". 
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Hence the expression "This score has grown on me". In fact, the (my!) explanation is quite simple : because of time devoted to the listening and study of the score, and because of the role of memory and intelligence (that last criterium doesn't apply to TheAvenger )[THIS IS A JOKE, NO BAD FEELINGS] )
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So strange to me to hear all the Zimmer hate here. I love his work for the most part. I think this is a strong score and I like all the little nods to there Bond scores.
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