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 Posted:   Mar 19, 2023 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)



"These film composers", as you put it, are human beings. As such, they have their own individual artistic tastes, and emotional associations.


But foremost they are musical prostitutes, selling their wares to the person with the money and final say ( who, usually , can't tell a quaver from an arsehole).

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2023 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   David Ferstat   (Member)

Prince Damian wrote

But foremost they are musical prostitutes, selling their wares to the person with the money and final say ( who, usually , can't tell a quaver from an arsehole).

Dear Ghod in hevvin, what's the matter with some people?

Let me ask you: do you work for a living? Do you exchange your time, labour and such skills as you have for money? If so, then you're also a prostitute, according to your definition above. EVERBODY who works for living is a gorram prostitute!

Logically, therefore, we should dispense with the word "prostitute", as it's ubiquity has clearly rendered it meaningless as insult, which was clearly your intent.

What are we left with? Work-for-hire", perhaps.

I'm a work-for-hire clerk, subservient to the instructions of my supervisor.
My daughter is a work-for-hire cook, subservient to the instructions of the restaurant owner.
Andrew Powell is a work-for hire composer, subservient to the instructions of the director or producer who hired him.

However, when we're not getting paid, we have more autonomy.

At home, I can use my Excel skills on my own projects.
My daughter can cook the meals she chooses.
Powell (who, I promise you, ain't getting much money out of the re-release of his old music) can exercise his artistic preferences in the release of nearly-forty-year-old.


The sense of entitlement on display on this board, yet again, makes me question my continual return.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2023 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

By this logic, Bach and Handel and Mozart were also “musical prostitutes”, as much as any film composer. And any other composer receiving payment/a commission for anything, for that matter.

Michelangelo was also a prostitute for painting the Sistine Chapel because he did it to specifications, for money.

Only artists fortunate enough to come from money and can produce art entirely for themselves can afford not to be prostitutes, apparently.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2023 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

By this logic, Bach and Handel and Mozart were also “musical prostitutes”, as much as any film composer. And any other composer receiving payment/a commission for anything, for that matter.

Huh. No wonder their music is orgasmic. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2023 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Maybe I did come across as an 'entitled fan'?
I prefer to think of it more as a paying customer who is 'entitled' to his opinion.
The 'product' is out there, I'm allowed to pass judgement on it.
What's laughable about Andrew Powell's artistic judgement and 'entitlement' on the LLL edition is that, apart from those missing '2 1/2 minutes' of the Finale (which were already released into the 'Great Out There' on the GNP issue), pretty much EVERYTHING but the kitchen sink is included on the 2 disc edition (score, source music, chants, numerous radio spots).
So yeah, it's a pain in the arse TO ME* to withhold the complete Finale track.
And I'm pretty sure LLL agree with ME too (off the record, of course).


*And the other 'entitled' fans written above.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2023 - 6:57 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yeah it’s bizarre that music was left off. Not entitled to feel that way at all, IMO, especially since it was on the (presumably composer-approved?) original album!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2023 - 11:41 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Yeah it’s bizarre that music was left off. Not entitled to feel that way at all, IMO, especially since it was on the (presumably composer-approved?) original album!

Yavar


Not exactly. The shortened finale was that way on the original soundtrack on Atlantic. I don't think GNP got input from Powell on that when they did their expansion which included the whole finale. When La La Land did their super-expansion Powell requested they present the shortened version from the original release, presumably because it's a cleaner and more straightforward presentation of the love theme without the added mickey-mousing of the first couple of minutes. When you involve the composer you are committing yourself to following their lead as we have seen with expansions from Horner, Goldsmith and Williams in the past.

In whatever form I've come to really enjoy this score. And the film holds up surprisingly well.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2023 - 1:42 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

By this logic, Bach and Handel and Mozart were also “musical prostitutes”, as much as any film composer. And any other composer receiving payment/a commission for anything, for that matter.


Correct.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2023 - 1:45 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)



Let me ask you: do you work for a living? Do you exchange your time, labour and such skills as you have for money? If so, then you're also a prostitute, according to your definition above. EVERBODY who works for living is a gorram prostitute!


Short answer = no. Anything more is no one's business, at this time.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2023 - 3:31 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)


 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2023 - 3:50 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Now then, the only thing I know about the eels is that you're a fan!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2023 - 3:50 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2023 - 5:39 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Finale: Wow. Clearly when I think of the finale I think of the original album since that was the one I had the longest and listened to the most. I'll have to dig up the CD with the longer finale since I don't remember it at all. EDIT: Or I'll just listen to the YouTube link about. Thanks!

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2023 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   erepel   (Member)

Finale: Wow....

The film and music have been favorites of mine and I own each music release beginning with the Atlantic LP and each video release [would love to add a 4K]; but even after almost 40 years I still can't tell whether those very, VERY high notes around the last 40 seconds concluding the finale / end credits are keyboard/synth or a very talented piccolo trumpeter. I have always wanted to lean trumpet, but then the mix on the discrete track 23 on LLL disc 2 makes me doubt (and that mix seems to dial down those notes that got free of the treble clef fence). Anyone who knows?

P.S. Omni, put out a score, you've got my money ... and perhaps the answer to my question, too.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 1:53 AM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)

...but even after almost 40 years I still can't tell whether those very, VERY high notes around the last 40 seconds concluding the finale / end credits are keyboard/synth or a very talented piccolo trumpeter. I have always wanted to lean trumpet, but then the mix on the discrete track 23 on LLL disc 2 makes me doubt (and that mix seems to dial down those notes that got free of the treble clef fence). Anyone who knows?



If you go to Andrew Powell's website:

https://andrewpowell.com/askandrew.htm

you can ask him smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2023 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   erepel   (Member)

...but even after almost 40 years I still can't tell whether those very, VERY high notes around the last 40 seconds concluding the finale / end credits are keyboard/synth or a very talented piccolo trumpeter. I have always wanted to lean trumpet, but then the mix on the discrete track 23 on LLL disc 2 makes me doubt (and that mix seems to dial down those notes that got free of the treble clef fence). Anyone who knows?



If you go to Andrew Powell's website:

https://andrewpowell.com/askandrew.htm

you can ask him smile


Thank you for the suggestion (and web address) to ask the composer.

The answer: " ... piccolo trumpet, which was played by the amazing John Wallace, one of the finest trumpet players I've ever worked with. Best wishes, Andrew"

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2023 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)



"These film composers", as you put it, are human beings. As such, they have their own individual artistic tastes, and emotional associations.


But foremost they are musical prostitutes, selling their wares to the person with the money and final say ( who, usually , can't tell a quaver from an arsehole).


Clearly the most idiotic thing I've read on the internet today. Someone who has no clue how the business works.

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2023 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Clearly the most idiotic thing I've read on the internet today. Someone who has no clue how the business works.
Greg Espinoza



So... a "prostitute", but not in a good way?

(Also, I think I get what Damian was saying--but perhaps not the best way of saying it.)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2023 - 2:42 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Have all you Andrew Powell fans got his FULL CIRCLE album, with Adrian Munsey?
You can really hear his voice and style in many of the tracks.
I can even hear strains of LADYHAWKE in this opening cue...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2023 - 3:26 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)



"These film composers", as you put it, are human beings. As such, they have their own individual artistic tastes, and emotional associations.


But foremost they are musical prostitutes, selling their wares to the person with the money and final say ( who, usually , can't tell a quaver from an arsehole).


Clearly the most idiotic thing I've read on the internet today. Someone who has no clue how the business works.

Greg Espinoza


While I can't claim responsibility for the first paragraph. The second, yes. And I stand by my ' idiotic thing'.
And , naturally, I know little about the business but I know a bit about postin' letters.

 
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