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 Posted:   Jun 10, 2016 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   Dan Roman   (Member)

One of the greatest scores. Still no release, will this ever happen?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2016 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

One of the greatest scores. Still no release, will this ever happen?

Yes, that's another major Tiomkin score that I would like to see released legitimately.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2016 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

Add my name to the list.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2016 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

One of the greatest scores. Still no release, will this ever happen?



Why no THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY?

Two words: Warner Brothers!

Some say WB is hard to deal with.
Some say WB only wants to issue a couple of Golden Age scores a year.
Some say WB is very nice but they just don't have the personnel to handle a lot of Golden Age
and Silver Age CDs.

For whatever reason, I hope the situation will improve.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2016 - 5:12 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

One of the greatest scores. Still no release, will this ever happen?



Why no THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY?

Two words: Warner Brothers!

Some say WB is hard to deal with.
Some say WB only wants to issue a couple of Golden Age scores a year.
Some say WB is very nice but they just don't have the personnel to handle a lot of Golden Age
and Silver Age CDs.

For whatever reason, I hope the situation will improve.


I don't think so. The High & The Mighty was made by John Wayne's production company, Batjac, & only distributed by Warner, the DVD's were released by Paramount, who made a deal with Batjac, so...it's either Paramount or whoever owns Batjac. And do the music tapes even exist anymore?

I'd also be interested in the soundtrack of another Batjac production, Frank DeVol's, McLintock!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2016 - 5:35 PM   
 By:   PeterD   (Member)

Ray Faiola of Chelsea Rialto Studios posted this on a HIGH AND THE MIGHTY thread back in 2010:

"The mono mix-down tracks survive. But there are legal hurdles that, to date, have been insurmountable. Still we try."

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2016 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

One of the greatest scores. Still no release, will this ever happen?



Why no THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY?

Two words: Warner Brothers!

Some say WB is hard to deal with.
Some say WB only wants to issue a couple of Golden Age scores a year.
Some say WB is very nice but they just don't have the personnel to handle a lot of Golden Age
and Silver Age CDs.

For whatever reason, I hope the situation will improve.


I don't think so. The High & The Mighty was made by John Wayne's production company, Batjac, & only distributed by Warner, the DVD's were released by Paramount, who made a deal with Batjac, so...it's either Paramount or whoever owns Batjac. And do the music tapes even exist anymore?

I'd also be interested in the soundtrack of another Batjac production, Frank DeVol's, McLintock!




You are probably right in this particular case. There appears to be a number of WB scores from the 50s and 60s by Steiner, Waxman, Tiomkin etc. that have yet to see the light of day. I hope the situation will improve with WB.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2016 - 9:36 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


It's not WB on this—though they have mono mix downs of the score—it's Batjac.

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2016 - 9:38 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

It's not WB on this—though they have mono mix downs of the score—it's Batjac.

Lukas




Thanks Lukas, maybe some day ........

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2016 - 10:16 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

The news is not that encouraging for THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY soon, but here is some great news about another great Dimitri Tiomkin score. Tomorrow in Prague,recording sessions for DUEL IN THE SUN will begin. That is definitely something for Dimitri Tiomkin fans to cheer about.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2016 - 1:53 AM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)

I can understand Tiomkin's new fans calling for a score as HIGH AND THE MIGHTY, but I wonder why "old timers" doesn't keep mind to other important titles never released, considering that they already have in their collection a boot of HIGH & MIGHTY running over an hour! The same for DUEL IN THE SUN, which sounds to my ear less important than HIS MAJESTY O'KEEFE or RETURN TO PARADISE. Obviously I'll buy a copy of both MIGHTY and SUN in whatever form, to support our interest!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2016 - 4:14 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

I can understand Tiomkin's new fans calling for a score as HIGH AND THE MIGHTY, but I wonder why "old timers" doesn't keep mind to other important titles never released, considering that they already have in their collection a boot of HIGH & MIGHTY running over an hour! The same for DUEL IN THE SUN, which sounds to my ear less important than HIS MAJESTY O'KEEFE or RETURN TO PARADISE.

As you can read here, for HIS MAJESTY O'KEEFE and for RETURN TO PARADISE no tapes or acetates are available anymore. So they can't be released on CD:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=74408&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2016 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)

I can understand Tiomkin's new fans calling for a score as HIGH AND THE MIGHTY, but I wonder why "old timers" doesn't keep mind to other important titles never released, considering that they already have in their collection a boot of HIGH & MIGHTY running over an hour! The same for DUEL IN THE SUN, which sounds to my ear less important than HIS MAJESTY O'KEEFE or RETURN TO PARADISE.

As you can read here, for HIS MAJESTY O'KEEFE and for RETURN TO PARADISE no tapes or acetates are available anymore. So they can't be released on CD:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=74408&forumID=1&archive=0


Yes, Stefan, but I also was thinking to new recordings, if the written scores survive. Alas John Morgan remain silent.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2016 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Yes, Stefan, but I also was thinking to new recordings, if the written scores survive. Alas John Morgan remain silent.

As the current situation on the soundtrack market is - and it will certainly not get better anymore -, I have no real hope at all for any new recording of such more obscure older titles. And let's be realistic: Just how many CD copies could be sold of such a recording? Maybe just about 1000 copies or probably even less so it would be a much too expensive venture for the producers who would have to pay quite a lot of money out of their own pockets which they will never get back.
Tribute Film Classics is dead anyway for a few years now and Tadlow will record only much more popular titles as James Fitzpatrick has already written here on this board just a few days ago. Tadlow will not even record Rozsa's FOUR FEATHERS anymore. So why then should they record RETURN TO PARADISE or HIS MAJESTY O'KEEFE of which most soundtrack collectors nowadays won't even know the titles anymore?

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2016 - 6:06 AM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)

This is the problem : we are thinking about a past world with today's mind. Interest is interest, and if you don't sell, don't record! We need a benefactor, for our musical heritage, like Tod's Group president Diego Della Valle, for the Colosseum restoration in Rome!

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2016 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

This is the problem : we are thinking about a past world with today's mind. Interest is interest, and if you don't sell, don't record! We need a benefactor, for our musical heritage, like Tod's Group president Diego Della Valle, for the Colosseum restoration in Rome!

It would probably be better to first try and (re)build a large enough audience for the existing score releases available from this period, before committing new money to the obscurities that likely wouldn't sell enough to cover their costs. If the business people can see that there isn't a sufficient market, there's not much they can do unless anyone has any initiatives to increase that market size beforehand.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2016 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

This is the problem : we are thinking about a past world with today's mind. Interest is interest, and if you don't sell, don't record! We need a benefactor, for our musical heritage, like Tod's Group president Diego Della Valle, for the Colosseum restoration in Rome!



Yes indeed, Golden Age and even Silver Age scores need a benefactor. So far no one has stepped forth. Back in the 70s Steven Spielberg said how much he admired the Golden Age composers and even said he wanted the score to Raiders of the Lost Arc to sound like Max Steiner! Well, 40 years later he's still very silent.

As far as getting young people interested it doesn't look very promising. I played some exciting Golden Age music for my 27 year old nephew Kevin. Needless to say he didn't like it. What does he like and buy? Some crazy screaming and yelling rock freaks, it's just mindless noise. Look at the crap that sells millions of copies .... pure trash. Such is the times.

I guess there is always hope enough of the younger generation will become interested in real music from the Golden and Silver Age.

As I write this Nic Raine must be conducting the CPO with DUEL IN THE SUN! smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2016 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

Why not join some of the classical music forums, and make some "off topic" posts about film music. I've seen people respond to those, but often they tend to only be familiar with the more well-known works, particularly John Williams (Star Wars, Raiders, etc.).

I was listening to Tiomkin's "Fall of the Roman Empire" yesterday (the Tadlow recording), and felt it played like a modern symphony rather than music for a film. I'm not familiar with much of the Golden Age music aside from some of the high-profile titles (mainly the "historicals"), but if any of those old composers had classical backgrounds and influences, it maybe worth highlighting potential crossover interest.

Recruiting more fans would seem to what's needed, but probably not much point trying to convert pop or rock fans.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2016 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

about ten years ago, Gretchen Wayne, who controls the Batjac films, was all set to release a cd of Highand the mighty, when she found that Batjac did NOT own the mucis tracks. Could this be because it is the Warner Orchestra, recorded at Warners?

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2016 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

What a score!

 
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