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 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   The Catman   (Member)

Remember the expanded First Blood Intrada we get one track expanding.
Planet of the Apes with another unreleased track.
Those were the first Expanded scores
Man,i love Douglas Fake and Roger Feigelson.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

The question is why werent they complete in the first place.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Expanded not complete!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Expanded not complete!

yeah, that's another question...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 4:47 PM   
 By:   The Catman   (Member)

Because you were not born yet maybe.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

that's true. If I was born earlier, I would have insisted all soundtrack releases were complete.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   The Catman   (Member)

Trust me,me too.
Maybe it was a choice from Jerry Goldsmith himself,i don,t know.
I do know that Douglas Fake convinced him to include the Main Title from Night Crossing.
Therefor i say Douglas Fake is a Hero.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 5:42 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)


Maybe it was a choice from Jerry Goldsmith himself,i don,t know.



From what I think I recall, Goldsmith wanted the re-recorded End Title left off his re-recording of Rio Conchos for Intrada, and it was left off. But when it was re-released after Jerry's departure, Intrada added the End Title. So Jerry's choice didn't matter in that instance.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

So maybe the topic should be reworded "Doug Invented Fake Expanded."

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 10:50 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

There were, in fact, sporadic expanded scores before the Intrada releases you mention. Citadel released a slightly expanded "A Patch of Blue" on LP decades earlier, and a "Blue Max" with somewhat different content. Varèse's expanded CD of "The Blue Max" came a few years before "First Blood," too. Nonetheless, Mr. Fake's contributions should not be minimized.

That said, if all soundtrack releases had always been complete, I would certainly not be a soundtrack fan today.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 10:56 PM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

The question is why werent they complete in the first place.

Because the Federation Of Musicians Historic Rate did not exist yet.
Hence they could only afford ONE bonus cue.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 2:59 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

So HE's the one to blame!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 3:35 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

And John Williams said 'let there be music and there was music'
And the labels said 'let there be expansions and there were expansions'
And Kev McGann said 'let there be whittling and there was whittling'
And so it came to pass.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   Lewis&Clark   (Member)

But there was also Thor and whenever an expanded edition was about to get out there to the people, Thor shouted towards the expanded edition: YOU SHALL NOT PASS!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I seem to remember that Rambo III was the big breakthrough, when Intrada took the bleeding awful Scotti Bros album and expanded it to 76 glorious minutes. That was unprecidented in 1989 (this was during the time when Intrada was pioneering lengthier, chronolical releases for scores like Deepstar Six, Shogun Mayeda and Lionheart (AWOL))

Intrada rocks!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 6:30 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

The question is why werent they complete in the first place.

Because the Federation Of Musicians Historic Rate did not exist yet.
Hence they could only afford ONE bonus cue.


Plus specialist labels weren't really rummaging through studio vaults back then, so the occasional bonus track was all we could hope for. Hell I don't think the phrase "specialist label" had been invented!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I think record labels invented "expanded" as far back as the 1950s when they issued "Volume 2" or "More Music From" LPs.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   The Catman   (Member)

I drove miles back then to get First Blood Expanded.
There was no internet back then.
Indeed Rambo III was the real first complete score ever released.
And thank you DeviantMan for the information.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 7:58 PM   
 By:   Brundlefly   (Member)

It was not Rambo III! I think it's still incomplete. It was Lionheart by Varese Sarabande.

And today there is even another higher demand: Fans don't just want their releases to be complete, they want them to be definitive.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 9:41 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Wonder if he also invented it for the waist in underwear. Extra large shorts for us guys with a big ass.

 
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