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 Posted:   Feb 10, 2019 - 7:41 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Mind blown! It all makes sense now though they tried to convince us otherwise. Though the stupid decisions made along the way remain a bafflement.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2019 - 10:03 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I think you need to put "Nerd Alert" to prevent anxiety attacks.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2019 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I hope people watch the video. This isn't some fan rant. It covers the legal issues between Paramount and CBS and why new Trek (Prime/Kelvin) from 2009 forward is so different.

Though it doesn't explain why CBS went with Prime Trek when they hold the rights to Canon Trek outright. Like I said its a convoluted mess and stupid decisions were made over a 20 year period.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2019 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Like I said its a convoluted mess and stupid decisions were made over a 20 year period.


Agreed. I watched the whole video and it was worth it to know this stuff.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2019 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

No.
Wont. Watch.
They should have support STC.
Basturds!

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2019 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Eh, STC wasn't THAT great.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2019 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • Eh, STC wasn't THAT great.

    Lou Ferrigno played an Orion pirate. It don't get no mo' Continues than that.

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     Posted:   Feb 11, 2019 - 10:21 AM   
     By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

    Eh, STC wasn't THAT great.

    Imagine if it had a decent budget!

     
     Posted:   Feb 11, 2019 - 1:39 PM   
     By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

    Eh, STC wasn't THAT great.

    Imagine if it had a decent budget!


    When they allowed themselves to live up to their name and truly CONTINUE the original series, they were fine. When they went back to Fan Fiction with callbacks and sequels aplenty, they were just another amateur series. All of the budget in the world wouldn't have fixed that.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 11, 2019 - 1:52 PM   
     By:   Nightingale   (Member)

    Eh, STC wasn't THAT great.

    Imagine if it had a decent budget!


    Imagine if they had some good actors too.

     
     Posted:   Feb 11, 2019 - 5:47 PM   
     By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

    Eh, STC wasn't THAT great.

    Imagine if it had a decent budget!


    When they allowed themselves to live up to their name and truly CONTINUE the original series, they were fine. When they went back to Fan Fiction with callbacks and sequels aplenty, they were just another amateur series. All of the budget in the world wouldn't have fixed that.


    I just loved the concept. Granted some scripts were weak and derivative.
    Part of my love is nostalgia, i grant you.
    But they really came through with the sequel to MIROR MIRROR. Great ep.
    Brm

     
     Posted:   Feb 12, 2019 - 6:32 AM   
     By:   solium   (Member)

    Eh, STC wasn't THAT great.

    Imagine if it had a decent budget!


    Imagine if they had some good actors too.


    Agreed, I think if you had a good budget, scripts and actors, retro Trek would be very popular. Look they changed the outfits in the TOS movies because they said the original would be to bright for the big screen, then in 2009 they basically went back to the TOS outfits and the film was a huge success.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 12, 2019 - 7:03 AM   
     By:   Ado   (Member)

    While they were in production on STC I would talk to some of the people in forum, and read the blog posts. They were completely fooling themselves about the future of that project. I knew it was legally doomed from the start. The only thing is that the suits should have stopped it much earlier. CBS has a pipeline of Trek shows lined up like ducks, and they are not going to permit efforts at quasi professional fan projects. I mean, it is totally obvious.

     
     Posted:   Feb 12, 2019 - 7:08 AM   
     By:   solium   (Member)

    While they were in production on STC I would talk to some of the people in forum, and read the blog posts. They were completely fooling themselves about the future of that project. I knew it was legally doomed from the start. The only thing is that the suits should have stopped it much earlier. CBS has a pipeline of Trek shows lined up like ducks, and they are not going to permit efforts at quasi professional fan projects. I mean, it is totally obvious.

    If its the production I think it was, they over stepped the line. They tried merchandising their product by selling a model kit of the starship. That's when Paramount/CBS had enough. Up to that point, they pretty much decided to let people produce fan Trek productions, as long as they didn't try to make money from it.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 12, 2019 - 7:29 AM   
     By:   Ado   (Member)

    While they were in production on STC I would talk to some of the people in forum, and read the blog posts. They were completely fooling themselves about the future of that project. I knew it was legally doomed from the start. The only thing is that the suits should have stopped it much earlier. CBS has a pipeline of Trek shows lined up like ducks, and they are not going to permit efforts at quasi professional fan projects. I mean, it is totally obvious.

    If its the production I think it was, they over stepped the line. They tried merchandising their product by selling a model kit of the starship. That's when Paramount/CBS had enough. Up to that point, they pretty much decided to let people produce fan Trek productions, as long as they didn't try to make money from it.


    yeah, that might be it. It is a shame, sounds like they put a lot of effort into it, maybe too much effort, if it has been more amateur too, that might have left the heat off them

     
     Posted:   Feb 12, 2019 - 8:17 AM   
     By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

    Part of the problem was that it went from a bunch of fans with a camcorder and basement sets making episodes to actual SAG Actors and professional technicians making TV episodes.

    You can blame it on Axanar, but they were just the straw. It was building to that tipping point for years as each production got more elaborate and professional. You can argue that Gods and Men was the "jump the shark" film, as the cast was made up of old Star Trek actors.

    I loved the feeling of STC and Phase 2. They really captured the essence of the old series in a way that no other production has. Whatever faults they had, I thought they were great fan productions. CBS doesn't need to back those...they need to do at least ONE faithful prequel, instead of "lipservice" prequels. Netflix would be the place and I think it would be at least somewhat successful.

     
     Posted:   Feb 12, 2019 - 9:31 PM   
     By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

    I had to rewind the timeline segment to get the gist of it, but now I do (should've said there were "three" universes instead of the "two"). But CBS's justification of "In order to avoid creative pitfalls with the movies" is what still doesn't gel well. Seems like a pusswad move. Even Citters's comment is ridiculous, considering that canon is splintered with no hopes of convergence, so what's the point of calling anything "canon" other than to butter up fanons? Now it's up to Bad Robot (or "Secret Hideout"... why didn't they own up to it and call it "Mystery Box Productions"?) to make amends with Paramount in order to justify something that's too askew to really matter.

    Given this "rumored" synopsis, I can now imagine what Trek 4 could've been about: timelines and dimensions are collapsing, in which Tribbles are the main cast, Prokofiev is the composer of the movies, and Mirror Universe Cade Skywalker is President of the Federation of Independent Systems set on Gallifrey, depending on whatever technobabble jibberjabber Paramount wanted to foist as to the reason (a black hole that doesn't devour an entire star system, okay whatever...), and in so doing, Kirks' George and James now have to work to reset everything back to normal, which of course would result in the conveniently dramatic re-demise/goodbye scene of George. Being involved in that level of fustercluck would justify a pay raise for both Chrises, and thus 4's eventual collapse of its own.

    This thing has gone into latter-season Ninja Turtles territory of "but why?". The mere discovery (heh) of alternate timelines and time travel should render irrevocable changes to space travel as Star Trek knows it. When are those shows happening? It's like if we discovered our first sentient alien species and how that would change our society (kinda the point of First Contact, n'est pas?). At this point, it's like revisiting Peter Parker back in high school again... AGAIN.

    Remember when space hippies used to vex a Starfleet crew?

  • While they were in production on STC I would talk to some of the people in forum, and read the blog posts. They were completely fooling themselves about the future of that project. I knew it was legally doomed from the start. The only thing is that the suits should have stopped it much earlier. CBS has a pipeline of Trek shows lined up like ducks, and they are not going to permit efforts at quasi professional fan projects. I mean, it is totally obvious.

    CBS should create Fan Film Awards like Disney does for Star Wars (albeit mainly for comedies in lieu of dudes with After Effects laser swords and some decent choreography wrapped around a "story").

  • If its the production I think it was, they over stepped the line. They tried merchandising their product by selling a model kit of the starship. That's when Paramount/CBS had enough. Up to that point, they pretty much decided to let people produce fan Trek productions, as long as they didn't try to make money from it.

    Wasn't that Anaxar's undoing?

  • Imagine if they had some good actors too.



    Continues was faithful as fuuuuuuuuu...

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