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 Posted:   Sep 10, 2019 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

Hello smile

I have a question for La La Land, Intrada, or Quartet etc...

It is any chance for release of "Dark Crystal" by Trevor Jones? It is so sad that this legendary score is completly OOP for so long.

I dreamed about 2cd set with complete score and with wonderful CD program.

Netflix series is big hit, movie was recently released on 4K disc....
But why Jones score is still not avaiable?

So sad...

If complete score is hard to do, personally I will be happy with original album rerelease

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2019 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)

Jones has a certain amount of control over certain works. He doesn't like working with others. Basically, until he dies, you probably won't see much of anything released.

 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2019 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   calmblueocean81   (Member)

I had no idea that both releases of the score had gone out of print. The prices being asked for are criminal!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2019 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

Digital version is still available:

https://www.amazon.com/Crystal-Original-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack/dp/B06X3SSS6G/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1Z9MMP1XO3NH2&keywords=dark+crystal+soundtrack&qid=1568129716&refinements=p_n_feature_browse-bin%3A625150011&rnid=625149011&s=dmusic&sprefix=dark+crystal%2Cdigital-music%2C191&sr=1-3


James

 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2019 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Apparently he has possession of the score tapes and won't give them back to Henson. Which is just a little beyond basic refusal to cooperate on a release.

 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2019 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Halloween_Jack   (Member)

Apparently he has possession of the score tapes and won't give them back to Henson. Which is just a little beyond basic refusal to cooperate on a release.

Is he the legal owner of the tapes, or should they rightfully be the property of The Jim Henson Company? If the latter then could (if they desired) they legally get the tapes back again? A tad confused about this situation.

 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2019 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Even if he weren't the legal owner of them, I don't want to find out if he's vindictive and does something to them after legal action.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2019 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Apparently he has possession of the score tapes and won't give them back to Henson. Which is just a little beyond basic refusal to cooperate on a release.

Is he the legal owner of the tapes, or should they rightfully be the property of The Jim Henson Company? If the latter then could (if they desired) they legally get the tapes back again? A tad confused about this situation.


He has the masters, he won't give them up, it's not worth a law suit to force him to give them up.

That's the bottom line.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2019 - 8:49 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

Why is he the way he is?

Any insight?

Graham

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Halloween_Jack   (Member)

Apparently he has possession of the score tapes and won't give them back to Henson. Which is just a little beyond basic refusal to cooperate on a release.

Is he the legal owner of the tapes, or should they rightfully be the property of The Jim Henson Company? If the latter then could (if they desired) they legally get the tapes back again? A tad confused about this situation.


He has the masters, he won't give them up, it's not worth a law suit to force him to give them up.

That's the bottom line.

Ford A. Thaxton



A frustrating situation! So any composer can just decide to keep their tapes and not hand them back then? Intrigued by what could have happened behind the scenes to warrant such behaviour... After all I assume he'd make some decent royalties from a new release and remastering of the entire score? Particularly with the interest around the new series too.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   Elmo Bernstein   (Member)


A frustrating situation! So any composer can just decide to keep their tapes and not hand them back then? Intrigued by what could have happened behind the scenes to warrant such behaviour....


I guess a person can legally possess physical master tapes without actually owning the rights -- the original Star Wars masters were in the possession of John Neal for years, and then put up for sale on Ebay in 2014.

I'm just speculating here, but it's possible Jones may not trust record companies. He said in an interview once that Dominick & Eugene was released without his knowledge and "I certainly haven't got one". A friend of mine who met Jones in an autograph line once claims that Jones was a bit irked when someone handed him a Loch Ness CD to sign -- apparently this was released without his knowledge as well.

Personally, despite the so-so sound, I am sufficiently satisfied with Numenorian's Dark Crystal CD. I'd much sooner have The Last Days of Pompeii and a real release of Excalibur.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'm just speculating here, but it's possible Jones may not trust record companies. He said in an interview once that Dominick & Eugene was released without his knowledge and "I certainly haven't got one". A friend of mine who met Jones in an autograph line once claims that Jones was a bit irked when someone handed him a Loch Ness CD to sign -- apparently this was released without his knowledge as well.

Yeah, but this is what some labels are willing to do since Jones won't play ball. I'm sure they'd rather have worked with him, but he doesn't seem to want to do it.

And he's Trevor jones, if he wants a freebie copy, I'm SURE any label would give him one if he asked for it. I know he has e-mail, he can do it. So far this appears to all be on him.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)


I guess a person can legally possess physical master tapes without actually owning the rights -- the original Star Wars masters were in the possession of John Neal for years, and then put up for sale on Ebay in 2014..


Wait what? Haven’t heard that story yet. Didn’t he pass away in 2009?

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


I guess a person can legally possess physical master tapes without actually owning the rights


Yeah, until the proper owner of said material wants them back! Ford kinda made it clear its not worth the cost of legal action to get them back.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 5:12 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

A friend of mine who met Jones in an autograph line once claims that Jones was a bit irked when someone handed him a Loch Ness CD to sign -- apparently this was released without his knowledge as well.


The source was crap too -- someone transcoded it from a lossy source.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

[startquote A friend of mine who met Jones in an autograph line once claims that Jones was a bit irked when someone handed him a Loch Ness CD to sign -- apparently this was released without his knowledge as well.


The source was crap too -- someone transcoded it from a lossy source.

Well, you should have mentioned the term WORK FOR HIRE to him

He signed the deal and took the $$$.

He doesn't own the masters or the publishing and those who do are free to do with them what they will.

That's life in Hollywood.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

This is why a studio should've written in the contract they get the tapes back at the completion of the project.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

It's strange that someone who's in the business of working freelance doesn't understand the goings on. You'd think he would at least want his music released.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 11:41 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

This is why a studio should've written in the contract they get the tapes back at the completion of the project.

They do as a rule....

But someotimes things just aren't returned after dubbing.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2019 - 4:20 AM   
 By:   JTWfan77   (Member)

I remember that when The Dark Crystal download popped up on Google Play Music briefly (think it was last year or 2017) it was listed as copyright Trevor Jones - a short while later it vanished and later resurfaced on iTunes' with copyright to Jim Henson Co.

Naughty Jones possibly tried to pull a fast one?

 
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